General Mob Questions

[TallGuy19]

When was Frank Salemme made?

July 1987


Pogo

I read a few articles that said he couldn't get made by Raymond Patriarca Sr. because he's part Irish. But I guess another boss was willing to overlook that.

[aleksandrored]

Guys what was the scheme between Louis Domes and Frank Sinatra? I was watching Crime Inc and I didn't quite understand what Jimmy Fratiano meant, Louis Domes put Sinatra in the Westchester theatre, and in return what happened?

[Pogo The Clown]

Guys what was the scheme between Louis Domes and Frank Sinatra? I was watching Crime Inc and I didn't quite understand what Jimmy Fratiano meant, Louis Domes put Sinatra in the Westchester theatre, and in return what happened?

If I remember right they were skimming from the theater.


Pogo

[aleksandrored]

Guys what was the scheme between Louis Domes and Frank Sinatra? I was watching Crime Inc and I didn't quite understand what Jimmy Fratiano meant, Louis Domes put Sinatra in the Westchester theatre, and in return what happened?

If I remember right they were skimming from the theater.


Pogo

Thanks man

[scagghiuni]

Is there any known formal structure/hierarchy of the Stidda clans?

the same of cosa nostra, the stidda was formed by former cosa nostra members who didn't answer to the commission

[Wiseguy]

Below is a veeeeeery rough list/timeline of various criminal groups, persons, events from years ago. Mainly to show when this or that group entered the scene. No doubt needs correction, updating, additions, etc.

To avoid delving too far into the LCN families themselves - obviously a lengthy subject completely on its own - I've simply put them within the general time period of 1890s to 1920s.



1789 - Tammany Hall
1820s - Chichesters
1825 - Forty Thieves
1830's - Bowery Boys, Dead Rabbits, Shirt Tails
1848 - Chee/Ghee Kung Tong
1855 - Hip Sing Tong
1860 - Raffaele Agnello
1867 - Suey Sing Tong
1870 - Hop Sing Tong
1874 - Bing Kung Tong
1880s - Provenzanos and Matrangas
1894 - On Leong Tong
[1890s to 1920s La Cosa Nostra families]
1900s - Arnold Rothstein
1919 - North Side Gang
1920's - Bugs & Meyer Mob, Doc Statcher, Dutch Schultz, Moe Dalitz, Abner Zwillman, Dean O'Banion, Lepke Buchalter/Jacob Shapiro, Waxey Gordon, Harlem numbers racket (obviously a lot of other names could be put in this time period)
1929 - Murder Inc.
1930's - Gulf Cartel
1933 - Meyer Lansky, etc. in Havana casinos
1935 - Outlaws MC
1939 - Mickey Cohen in LA
1940s - Teddy Roe
1946 - Flamingo Hotel Casino
1948 - Hells Angels
1954 - Latin Kings
1955 - Winter Hill Gang
1957 - Mexican Mafia, Vice Lords
1958 - Black P Stones
1959 - Pagans MC
1960s - Westies, 18th Street Gang, 10th & O Gang
1963 - Gangster Disciples
1964 - Rochester family, Cuban Corporation, Wah Ching
1965 - Frank Matthews, Aryan Brotherhood, Nuestra Familia, Vagos
1966 - Black Guerilla Family, Bandidos MC
1967 - Flying Dragons, Surenos
1968 - Black Eagles, Nortenos
Late 1960's - Frank Lucas
1969 - Crips, Mongols
1970 - Juarez Cartel
1970's - Nicky Barnes, Danny Greene, Cubans
1971 - Ghost Shadows
1972 - Bloods
1975 - Evsei Agron
1976 - Medellín Cartel
1977 - Cali Cartel, Marat Balagula, Golden Dragon Massacre
1978 - Texas Syndicate, Folk Nation
1979 - Neta
Late 1970s - Boris Nayfield
1980's - MS13, Fuk Ching, Jamaican Posses, La Familia Michoacana
1980 - Sonará Cartel, Guadalajara Cartel
1984 - Texas Mexican Mafia
Mid-1980s - Freeway Rick Ross
1988 - Born to Kill
1989 - Sinaloa Cartel, Tijuana Cartel, Armenian Power, Black Mafia Family
Late 1980s - Tango Blast
1992 - Vyacheslav Ivankov
1993 - Trinitarios, Rudaj Organization
Mid 1990s - YACS burglary rings
1995 - North Valley Cartel
1997 - Los Zetas, Clan Del Golfo
1999 - North Coast Cartel
Late 1990s - UN Gang
2008 - Beltran Leyva Cartel
2009 - Jalisco New Generation Cartel
2010 - Knights Templar Cartel
2010s - Wolfpack

[PolackTony]

Your dates for Chicago street gangs are pretty much correct. Almost all Chicago gangs got their start in the 50s/60s, of course. The ~1954 date for the Kings fits with the info that I have, including from original-era members that I knew in Chicago (e.g., King Rory, who incidentally identified the original section that he knew of as having started in the 1950s in a section of Humboldt Park where Jackie Cerone and some other Outfit guys lived, and further stated that there were a number of Italian kids alongside the PRs during that first generation of Kings). The Spanish Cobras are also thought to have started back in the 50s, and some have claimed that they started in PR before arriving in Chicago in the 50s. Predominately Italian gangs in origin like the C-Notes and Gaylords started in the 50s also, as did the Royals. MLDs, Two Six, and most others were already forming in the early 60s, especially as the Kings began spreading rapidly in the newly expanding PR and Mexican communities, fomenting the formation of rival gangs as a response. Similar dynamics occurred in the black areas as well, where local groups of youth had to form clubs to combat the rise of the aggressively expanding and predatory groups like the VLs, GDs, and Stones, and many of those local gangs were subsequently absorbed by the more successful large groups, leading to the “supergangs” of Chicago past.

[Dave65827]

Any info on Genovese Capo Renaldi (Ray) Ruggiero? He seems to have flipped around 2006 but there’s not much info on him out there. Of all the genovese rats you can’t find jack shit about him out there

Also can’t seem to find if anyone got put away for his cooperation anyone got any links ?

[Wiseguy]

Any info on Genovese Capo Renaldi (Ray) Ruggiero? He seems to have flipped around 2006 but there’s not much info on him out there. Of all the genovese rats you can’t find jack shit about him out there

Also can’t seem to find if anyone got put away for his cooperation anyone got any links ?

He'd be about 87 if still alive.

[OcSleeper]

Sorry if this is a dumb question but was Henry Hill actually on record with anyone? Was it with Vario?

[desertdog]

Yes, he was on record with Vario...

[desertdog]

Does a made guy need permission to wack non mob civilians? Guys like Casso were killing people right and left..

[Pogo The Clown]

Yes they do. Though of course in this case it is easier for them to break this rule.


Pogo

[Etna]

Is anyone able to translate the pizzini gathered from Sandro Lo Piccolo in the link below? I assume its from extortion payments, but does this show who its going to or anything more?

https://palermo.repubblica.it/cronaca/2 ... 7139255/1/

[Wiseguy]

Is anyone able to translate the pizzini gathered from Sandro Lo Piccolo in the link below? I assume its from extortion payments, but does this show who its going to or anything more?

https://palermo.repubblica.it/cronaca/2 ... 7139255/1/

I don't speak Italian but an English version of the article does say those records are an "accounting of the pizzo" so, yes, it is extortion payments. Lo Piccolo's clan was said to be running a huge extortion racket in Palermo.