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NJShore4Life wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:23 pm On the contrary Supposedly Nicky Whip wasn’t allowed completely back into the fold in Philly because of his brother Gino flipping . I’ve only seen him with 10th and O guys and Stevie Gongs , Uncle Joe and the LCN guys didn’t welcome him back because of his brother flipping.
Why would Philly bar Nicky Whip yet allow Dom Grande to hang around?
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Think Milano was also friendly with both Turchi and Casasanto, so that could've contributed to it
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Examples from the Colombos:
Thomas Gioeli - Colombo acting boss whose cousin flipped (McLaughlin).
John Franzese - Colombo underboss whose sons flipped.
Michael Sessa - Colombo captain whose brother flipped.
Michael Catapano - Colombo acting captain whose cousins flipped (Franzese's sons).
Gregory Scarpa Jr. - Colombo acting captain whose dad was an informant.
Aurelio “Ray” Cagno - Colombo soldier whose brother flipped.
Dino Saracino - Colombo soldier whose brother flipped.
Anthony "Nooch" and Vincenzo Calabro - Colombo associates whose brother flipped.
Frank Campanella - Colombo associate whose brother flipped, unknown if he stayed in the life.
Wasn't Dennis Guzzardo related to Vito Guzzo or am I crazy?
Colombo soldier Frank Campione's son, who was only on the fringes of OC, also cooperated.
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gohnjotti wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:01 pm Examples from the Colombos:
Thomas Gioeli - Colombo acting boss whose cousin flipped (McLaughlin).
John Franzese - Colombo underboss whose sons flipped.
Michael Sessa - Colombo captain whose brother flipped.
Michael Catapano - Colombo acting captain whose cousins flipped (Franzese's sons).
Gregory Scarpa Jr. - Colombo acting captain whose dad was an informant.
Aurelio “Ray” Cagno - Colombo soldier whose brother flipped.
Dino Saracino - Colombo soldier whose brother flipped.
Anthony "Nooch" and Vincenzo Calabro - Colombo associates whose brother flipped.
Frank Campanella - Colombo associate whose brother flipped, unknown if he stayed in the life.
Wasn't Dennis Guzzardo related to Vito Guzzo or am I crazy?
Colombo soldier Frank Campione's son, who was only on the fringes of OC, also cooperated.
John Pate's brother Robert as well no? dont think he was made tho.
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SonnyBlackstein wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:56 am
NJShore4Life wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:23 pm On the contrary Supposedly Nicky Whip wasn’t allowed completely back into the fold in Philly because of his brother Gino flipping . I’ve only seen him with 10th and O guys and Stevie Gongs , Uncle Joe and the LCN guys didn’t welcome him back because of his brother flipping.
Why would Philly bar Nicky Whip yet allow Dom Grande to hang around?
Nicky Whip wasn’t allowed back into the fold because his brother flipped on Ligambi in the 80s and when he got out he still kept in touch with his brother Eugene. Compound that to the fact that Ligambi was the boss when Nicky Whip got out and you can see why he wasn’t allowed back into the fold.

Dom on the other hand completely and totally disowned his own Father and hasn’t had any contact with him since he flipped when Dom was just a kid. Dom’s whole entire family also disowned Wayne Grande (his own brother, his wife, and Dom’s sister) They despise him. Can you see the difference now?

I have personally seen Nicky Whip two summers ago in AC with Stevie Gongs at a bar at The Borgata and have seen pictures of him on social media with head of 10th and O Johnny Garbs. So he hangs out with 10th and O guys and guys on the fringe of the fringe, he definitely doesn’t have any status whatsoever anymore of being straightened out or accepted back by the core group of Philly guys that’s for sure. He wasn’t allowed back into the fold.

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davidf1989 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:06 pm
JakeTheSnake630 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:19 am Jackie Salemme and Jimmy Martorano are both alledgedly made and had brothers cooperate. Also were both Rosettis bad? Or was it just one who was an informant? Didn't Mickey Paradiso have a brother who flipped?
I think it was only Mark Rossetti who was an informant but is now doing time in prison. His cousin Stephen who was a suspect in the Gardner art heist was released in 2019 without cooperating against anyone. Their uncle is Robert Guarente who is connected to Robert Gentile and Luisi.

Mickey Paradiso's brother Philip was an informant for the FBI according to these articles

https://nypost.com/2012/06/10/g-moms-ne ... i-payroll/

https://sites.google.com/site/scarpadoc ... lo-murders
speaking of Rossetti, Bobby Luisi Jr recently said that Mark was his Captain when he was involved with the Patriarcas. He also said that he still talks to Mark nowadays, seems he out of the can....
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Dapper_Don wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:38 pm
gohnjotti wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:01 pm Examples from the Colombos:
Thomas Gioeli - Colombo acting boss whose cousin flipped (McLaughlin).
John Franzese - Colombo underboss whose sons flipped.
Michael Sessa - Colombo captain whose brother flipped.
Michael Catapano - Colombo acting captain whose cousins flipped (Franzese's sons).
Gregory Scarpa Jr. - Colombo acting captain whose dad was an informant.
Aurelio “Ray” Cagno - Colombo soldier whose brother flipped.
Dino Saracino - Colombo soldier whose brother flipped.
Anthony "Nooch" and Vincenzo Calabro - Colombo associates whose brother flipped.
Frank Campanella - Colombo associate whose brother flipped, unknown if he stayed in the life.
Wasn't Dennis Guzzardo related to Vito Guzzo or am I crazy?
Colombo soldier Frank Campione's son, who was only on the fringes of OC, also cooperated.
John Pate's brother Robert as well no? dont think he was made tho.
Yes, missed Robert Pate, he was made and he was reprimanded for staying in touch with his brother in Florida.
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NJShore4Life wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:46 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:56 am
NJShore4Life wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:23 pm On the contrary Supposedly Nicky Whip wasn’t allowed completely back into the fold in Philly because of his brother Gino flipping . I’ve only seen him with 10th and O guys and Stevie Gongs , Uncle Joe and the LCN guys didn’t welcome him back because of his brother flipping.
Why would Philly bar Nicky Whip yet allow Dom Grande to hang around?
Nicky Whip wasn’t allowed back into the fold because his brother flipped on Ligambi in the 80s and when he got out he still kept in touch with his brother Eugene. Compound that to the fact that Ligambi was the boss when Nicky Whip got out and you can see why he wasn’t allowed back into the fold.

Dom on the other hand completely and totally disowned his own Father and hasn’t had any contact with him since he flipped when Dom was just a kid. Dom’s whole entire family also disowned Wayne Grande (his own brother, his wife, and Dom’s sister) They despise him. Can you see the difference now?

I have personally seen Nicky Whip two summers ago in AC with Stevie Gongs at a bar at The Borgata and have seen pictures of him on social media with head of 10th and O Johnny Garbs. So he hangs out with 10th and O guys and guys on the fringe of the fringe, he definitely doesn’t have any status whatsoever anymore of being straightened out or accepted back by the core group of Philly guys that’s for sure. He wasn’t allowed back into the fold.

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Outside of some of bits of information that came out from the Stephanelli tapes, we don't know a ton of details about how the old Scarfo crew reorganized. I'm sure some aligned with Merlino more than others. Divvied up to different crews. A lot of those guys look like their doing their own thing but there are still chains of command. People check in . The life isn't just about kicking up money and hanging on the corner, though there are elements of that. There are plenty of young guys that want to be hanging with Joey to keep him flush and his guys have the admin spots but there are other power bases in the family. These are different times, it isn't bomb squads shaking down random guys, most guys do their own things, take their shots, make their living and have guys to go through protocol when needed. They probably pass along something up the chain to keep peace. I don't think Whip got chased, he's just doing his thing.
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What do we think Philly's at in terms of numbers these days? Total and on the street?
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50 to low 50s total. About 40 of them on the street with half of them give or take being inactive.


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My count for Philadelphia currently is 42 confirmed living members (7 incarcerated, 35 on the street). Good portion of those on the street don't appear to be active. Taking into account that some members could've flown under the radar and the fact that there have been inductions since the 2015 ceremony, the most likely total membership figure is between 50 and 60. Then there's another 13 living (to the best of my knowledge) members who have flipped.
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Looking over my list again I have 45 members with 10 of them in prison. I don't remember if Mazzone and Grande got bail but if they didn't that would be 12 in prison. There are undoubtedly many more inactive members but I only noted the ones who have been confirmed to be inactive. Some of the ages may need updating.


Can anyone confirm if Dominic Rugnetta is still alive?


Administration:
1. Boss: Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino/59
-Acting Boss: Michael "Mikey Lance" Lancellotti/57
2. UnderBoss: Steven "Handsome Steve" Mazzone/56 (UI/IP)
3. Consigliere: Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi/81


Capos:
1. Martin "Marty" Angelina/58 – South Philly
2. George “Georgie Boy” Borgesi/57 – South Philly and Delware County
3. John "Johnny Chang" Ciancaglini/65 – South Philly
4. Dominic “Baby Dom” Grande/41 (UI/IP) - South Philly and South Jersey
5. Joseph "Scoops" Licata/79 – North Jersey


Soldiers:
Anthony "Tony Cujino" Accardo/58
Anthony Borgesi/54
Joseph “Chickie” Ciancaglini Sr/86
Joseph "Joey Chang" Ciancaglini Jr/62 (Inactive)
Martin "Marty Crutch" Curro/73
Eric Esposito/50
Louis "Big Lou" Fazzini/53
Vincent "Big Vince" Filipelli/68
Robert “Bobby the Cook” Gentile/84
Joseph Grande/60
Francis "Faffy" Iannarella/73
Gaeton “Gate/The Big Guy” Lucibello/67
Salvatore "Sonny" Mazzone/55 (UI)
Nicholas "Nicky Whip" Milano/60 (Inactive)
Phillip “Phil” Narducci/56
Nicholas "Nicky O" Oliveri/75
Robert "Bobby Blur" Paleo
Anthony "Tony Pung" Pungitore Jr/66
Joseph "Joey Pung" Pungitore/64
Dominic Rugnetta/96 (Inactive)
Salvatore "Tory" Scafidi/59
Joseph “Joey” Stanfa/51 (Inactive)
Anthony “Ant” Staino/63
Paul Tanso/56
Luigi “Gino” Tripodi/82 (Inactive)
Shawn Vetere/52


Imprisoned Members:
Damion “Dame” Canalichio/51 (IP/12/21/2021)
Giuseppe “Joe Stanfa” Gallara/53 (IP/L)
Frank Martines/66 (IP/L)
Joseph "Mousie" Massimino/70 (IP/1/13/2025)
Anthony “Tony Nics” Nicodemo/50 (IP)
David Pepicelli/59 (IP)
Paul "Paulie Pep" Pepicelli/61 (IP)
Salvatore “Sammy Tubbs” Piccolo/69 (IP/11/1/2028)
Joseph “Joey Electric” Servidio/60 (UI/IP)
John Stanfa/79 (IP/L)
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This is what I've got, pretty much the same but the Pepicellis are both out:

Confirmed living members

Anthony Accardo
Martin Angelina
Anthony Borgesi
George Borgesi
Damion Canalichio
John Ciancaglini
Joseph Ciancaglini
Joseph Ciancaglini Jr
Martin Curro
Eric Esposito
Louis Fazzini
Vincent Filipelli
Robert Gentile
Domenic Grande (UI)
Joseph Grande
Francis Iannarella
Michael Lancellotti
Joseph Licata
Joseph Ligambi
Gaeton Lucibello
Salvatore Mazzone (UI)
Steven Mazzone (UI)
Joseph Merlino
Nicholas Milano
Phillip Narducci
Nicholas Olivieri
Paul Pepicelli
Anthony Pungitore
Joseph Pungitore
Domenic Rugnetta (if still alive)
Salvatore Scafidi
Anthony Staino
Joseph Stanfa
Luigi Tripodi
Shawn Vetere
+ unknown others inducted since 2015

NE guys who have (so far) only been identified as members by Luisi

Robert Paleo
David Pepicelli
Paul Tanso

Incarcerated

Giuseppe Gallara
Frank Martines
Joseph Massimino
Anthony Nicodemo
Salvatore Piccolo
Joseph Servidio (UI)
John Stanfa

Living coperators

Biagio Adornetto
Sergio Battaglia
Peter Caprio
Nicholas Caramandi
Thomas DelGiorno
Salvatore Grande
Philip Leonetti
Robert Luisi
Eugene Milano
Ralph Natale
Anthony Persiano
Gaetano Scafidi
John Veasey

Possible members

Philip Ligambi (possibly made late 1990s)
Frank DePasquale (possibly made by 2011)
Albert Lancellotti (possibly made by 2011)
Louis DeAngelo
Vito Malgeri
Joseph DeSimone (seems unlikely)
+ others
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Thanks. Looking at it again I see that Canalichio was released a few months ago.


For the Boston members if I remember right GA said Borgesi made a half a dozen which would match up the number Luisi said. Though I want Nader if GA was basing that on Luisi's claim alone or if there is other info to confirm that.


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