Kansas City Crime Family

[Pogo The Clown]

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Yeah and what LE says and what LE is actively pursuing is two different things. If you believe every declassified memo, press briefing, 302, 772, 473 etc then you are dumber than you sound.
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I think your right. The FBI has really known about the existence of the KC family for the last 20 years but are just keeping under wraps. The Northest and Chicago guys are so jealous that they don't get the same treatment from the Feds.


Pogo

[CabriniGreen]

Who was Nicola Impostato?

[CabriniGreen]

What was the dynamic like between the Kansas City and St. Louis families considering they were both in Missouri? Was the combined strength of these families ever brought to bear within LCN politics or no?

[CabriniGreen]

Something they portrayed in that show Ozark, how much did Right to Work weaken the KC family? The Teamsters specifically?

Just a few things I was wondering about, since KC is at the forefront for the moment.....

Carry on....

[Patrickgold]

What was the dynamic like between the Kansas City and St. Louis families considering they were both in Missouri? Was the combined strength of these families ever brought to bear within LCN politics or no?

John Simone, the son, went to college in St. Louis in the early 1990s and supposedly had a bookmaking operation there.

[ThomasSpears]

Pogo here you go. The obituary even states who is the new syndicate don as well. Sadly don Giacalone and don vena could not attend as they had international mafia affairs holding them up at the time. I believe something about establishing a pipeline for drugs with connections back in Italy. fun fact of the Midwest that people do dot talk about as it is just a hidden secret. 80 % or drug deals happen on retirement center grounds. Hence how all the Midwest big shots are able to get back into the game. #facts #32lcn families!! https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/kansa ... =184315730

[Wiseguy]

Something they portrayed in that show Ozark, how much did Right to Work weaken the KC family? The Teamsters specifically?

Just a few things I was wondering about, since KC is at the forefront for the moment.....

Carry on....

The union movement has been in decline for years. There are significantly less U.S. workers today who are members of a union than there once were.

That said, Missouri isn't a right to work state so that didn't factor into it. I stated before, the family's clout with the Teamsters came mostly from Civella's control of Roy Lee Williams, who would become IBT president in the early 1980s. This gave Civella influence over the Central States Pension Fund.

From a union standpoint, what did have an effect was trucking deregulation, which allowed trucking companies more freedom to enter the market, decide rates, etc. Williams was charged with trying to bribe a senator to stop it.

[Tonyd621]

Yeah and what LE says and what LE is actively pursuing is two different things. If you believe every declassified memo, press briefing, 302, 772, 473 etc then you are dumber than you sound.

I think your right. The FBI has really known about the existence of the KC family for the last 20 years but are just keeping under wraps. The Northest and Chicago guys are so jealous that they don't get the same treatment from the Feds.


Pogo

The FBI has known about it for the past 20 yrs.

[Confederate]

Yes, to some people's heartbreaking dismay & obsession, the Feds have known KC has been defunct for many years. A few left over remnants who will die off soon. Even if a couple of them contacted a made guy in New York about something, they would only be recognized as made members of the National LCN but not an active family. There is no National Commission anymore. The heads of the New York 5 barely even all get together. RICO Statute changed everything. Theses are American born criminals whose first priority is to make money & nothing else. In DiLeonardo's testimony when asked what he thought about the rules, he even called most of them a bunch of hypocrisy.

[aleksandrored]

Yes, to some people's heartbreaking dismay & obsession, the Feds have known KC has been defunct for many years. A few left over remnants who will die off soon. Even if a couple of them contacted a made guy in New York about something, they would only be recognized as made members of the National LCN but not an active family. There is no National Commission anymore. The heads of the New York 5 barely even all get together. RICO Statute changed everything. Theses are American born criminals whose first priority is to make money & nothing else. In DiLeonardo's testimony when asked what he thought about the rules, he even called most of them a bunch of hypocrisy.

What do you mean, the first priority is to make money and nothing else? in the past did they have something more like honor? (sorry if it's a very stupid question)

[Confederate]

Yes, to some people's heartbreaking dismay & obsession, the Feds have known KC has been defunct for many years. A few left over remnants who will die off soon. Even if a couple of them contacted a made guy in New York about something, they would only be recognized as made members of the National LCN but not an active family. There is no National Commission anymore. The heads of the New York 5 barely even all get together. RICO Statute changed everything. Theses are American born criminals whose first priority is to make money & nothing else. In DiLeonardo's testimony when asked what he thought about the rules, he even called most of them a bunch of hypocrisy.

What do you mean, the first priority is to make money and nothing else? in the past did they have something more like honor? (sorry if it's a very stupid question)

In 2020, there is very little "honor" left in the American LCN. The first priority of these American born guys is to make money. I didn't say it was the only priority, I just meant that it was the first & most important priority over anything else. As far as honor in the American LCN 50 years ago, I suppose there was more of it, it but it was always based mainly on greed, power & a certain amount of hypocrisy if we really want to be honest about it. the greed, power & hypocrisy is just much more prevalent in 2020 because of how the LCN has digressed right along with America hand in hand.

[aleksandrored]

Yes, to some people's heartbreaking dismay & obsession, the Feds have known KC has been defunct for many years. A few left over remnants who will die off soon. Even if a couple of them contacted a made guy in New York about something, they would only be recognized as made members of the National LCN but not an active family. There is no National Commission anymore. The heads of the New York 5 barely even all get together. RICO Statute changed everything. Theses are American born criminals whose first priority is to make money & nothing else. In DiLeonardo's testimony when asked what he thought about the rules, he even called most of them a bunch of hypocrisy.

What do you mean, the first priority is to make money and nothing else? in the past did they have something more like honor? (sorry if it's a very stupid question)

In 2020, there is very little "honor" left in the American LCN. The first priority of these American born guys is to make money. I didn't say it was the only priority, I just meant that it was the first & most important priority over anything else. As far as honor in the American LCN 50 years ago, I suppose there was more of it, it but it was always based mainly on greed, power & a certain amount of hypocrisy if we really want to be honest about it. the greed, power & hypocrisy is just much more prevalent in 2020 because of how the LCN has digressed right along with America hand in hand.

Understand, thanks for the explanation fella.

[Grouchy Sinatra]

Some people ignore everything and hope for a family to be active, like they want them to be active.

I wonder why. Look at the world today. It's a hero fantasy and it's understandable.

[bobbybatts1]

These are the guys I've seen identified in reports and articles as made

1. William Cammisano Jr / 70
2. Nicholas LaBruzzo
3. James Moretina / 70
4. Vincent Pisciotta / 65
5. Peter Ribaste / 69
6. John Sciortino / 76
7. Peter Simone / 75


These are the guys Joeydice and/or Scott B have said are made. But I haven't seen any evidence beyond them saying so. And I have a hard time believing Kansas City still has 13 members today.

1. Gerolamo (Jerry) Cammisano / 66
2. Vincent Civella / 76
3. Frank DeLuna / 61
4. John Mandacina / 73
5. Paul Silvio / 90
6. Anthony Simone / 66

Jerry Cammisano,Vince Civella were made at the same ceremony as FrankPisciotta, 1986. Frank Deluna, Paul Silvio were made in 1966. John Mandacina 1973. Most on these lists have retired, there is no family structure other than honorary titles.There are new blood working rackets but its more like independents and friendships. not old school family structure.

[bobbybatts1]

I'm a little surprised that a family like KC went the way of the dodo so quickly. It's sort of like New Orleans or some of those other small families, the boss goes away for a long stretch and the family falls apart, like there was no real structure in place.
You would think that a family that was able to pull off the Vegas skim would have lasted longer, had more on the ball, so to speak.
Maybe some of the older guys that were left saw Nick Civella die in prison and just let the family die out so they didn't risk suffering the same fate.

It probably has more to do with their recruitment pool drying up—similar to what is happening in New York and elsewhere. The Columbus Park neighborhood used to be an Italian enclave but is now gentrified, full of hipster douchebags, and surrounded by some of the most dangerous, gang-infested neighborhoods in the country.

When I was there a couple of years ago, it seemed asian. Vietnamese I think. Didn’t realize it was surrounded by gang neighborhoods.

Kansas City has a very high per capita murder rate and Columbus Park isn't too far from the epicenter of violence. If you ever want to see the epitome of urban blight take a trip down to Independence Ave. A few years ago I took a wrong turn and wound up down there and couldn't believe how shitty that area is.

the kansas city mob moved north of the river in the early 80s s there is a large Italian population in Clay County.