Kansas City Crime Family

[Wiseguy]

These are the guys I've seen identified in reports and articles as made

1. William Cammisano Jr / 70
2. Nicholas LaBruzzo
3. James Moretina / 70
4. Vincent Pisciotta / 65
5. Peter Ribaste / 69
6. John Sciortino / 76
7. Peter Simone / 75


These are the guys Joeydice and/or Scott B have said are made. But I haven't seen any evidence beyond them saying so. And I have a hard time believing Kansas City still has 13 members today.

1. Gerolamo (Jerry) Cammisano / 66
2. Vincent Civella / 76
3. Frank DeLuna / 61
4. John Mandacina / 73
5. Paul Silvio / 90
6. Anthony Simone / 66

[joerock]

Defunct. Not sure what answers you are looking for.

Just trying to learn a few things because That's another family that is up in the air, thank you
Pogo

Sorry I assumed you already knew the answer. LE hasn't recognized a family in KC for about 20 years. Maybe even longer.

I'm not sure how reliable of a source "about the mafia" is but under the bosses of 2020 article Kansas City is there which is
Another reason why I asked

[moneyman]

Interesting thread about KC from a few years ago,

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1301#p20670

[Costigan]

I'm a little surprised that a family like KC went the way of the dodo so quickly. It's sort of like New Orleans or some of those other small families, the boss goes away for a long stretch and the family falls apart, like there was no real structure in place.
You would think that a family that was able to pull off the Vegas skim would have lasted longer, had more on the ball, so to speak.
Maybe some of the older guys that were left saw Nick Civella die in prison and just let the family die out so they didn't risk suffering the same fate.

[johnny_scootch]

Here is another interesting subject, without fighting and arguing these discussions are strictly of opinions or if you know stone cold facts feel free to join in, Kansas City crime family active or defunct?

Genovese
Gambino
Bonanno
Lucchese
Colombo
DeCavalcante
Patriarca
Bruno

those are the active families everyone agrees on, if you're looking to argue with people start a thread on Detroit or Buffalo.

I would include the Outfit making the total number of Families 9.

Wow I forgot Chicago

No offense the the chicago guys....lol

[TallGuy19]

I'm a little surprised that a family like KC went the way of the dodo so quickly. It's sort of like New Orleans or some of those other small families, the boss goes away for a long stretch and the family falls apart, like there was no real structure in place.
You would think that a family that was able to pull off the Vegas skim would have lasted longer, had more on the ball, so to speak.
Maybe some of the older guys that were left saw Nick Civella die in prison and just let the family die out so they didn't risk suffering the same fate.

It probably has more to do with their recruitment pool drying up—similar to what is happening in New York and elsewhere. The Columbus Park neighborhood used to be an Italian enclave but is now gentrified, full of hipster douchebags, and surrounded by some of the most dangerous, gang-infested neighborhoods in the country.

[Patrickgold]

I'm a little surprised that a family like KC went the way of the dodo so quickly. It's sort of like New Orleans or some of those other small families, the boss goes away for a long stretch and the family falls apart, like there was no real structure in place.
You would think that a family that was able to pull off the Vegas skim would have lasted longer, had more on the ball, so to speak.
Maybe some of the older guys that were left saw Nick Civella die in prison and just let the family die out so they didn't risk suffering the same fate.

It probably has more to do with their recruitment pool drying up—similar to what is happening in New York and elsewhere. The Columbus Park neighborhood used to be an Italian enclave but is now gentrified, full of hipster douchebags, and surrounded by some of the most dangerous, gang-infested neighborhoods in the country.

When I was there a couple of years ago, it seemed asian. Vietnamese I think. Didn’t realize it was surrounded by gang neighborhoods.

[Pogo The Clown]

There is a KC chart from 1987 that lists only a Boss and 2 Capos. So it seems even way back in the late 1980s KC was starting to wind down as a structured organization.

And looking at the other charts from 1987 we can see that In terms of structure KC was on a level with families like Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Scranton, Rochester and Cleveland than they were with families like Detroit and Buffalo which they have been frequently compared in recent times.


Pogo

[TallGuy19]

I'm a little surprised that a family like KC went the way of the dodo so quickly. It's sort of like New Orleans or some of those other small families, the boss goes away for a long stretch and the family falls apart, like there was no real structure in place.
You would think that a family that was able to pull off the Vegas skim would have lasted longer, had more on the ball, so to speak.
Maybe some of the older guys that were left saw Nick Civella die in prison and just let the family die out so they didn't risk suffering the same fate.

It probably has more to do with their recruitment pool drying up—similar to what is happening in New York and elsewhere. The Columbus Park neighborhood used to be an Italian enclave but is now gentrified, full of hipster douchebags, and surrounded by some of the most dangerous, gang-infested neighborhoods in the country.

When I was there a couple of years ago, it seemed asian. Vietnamese I think. Didn’t realize it was surrounded by gang neighborhoods.

Kansas City has a very high per capita murder rate and Columbus Park isn't too far from the epicenter of violence. If you ever want to see the epitome of urban blight take a trip down to Independence Ave. A few years ago I took a wrong turn and wound up down there and couldn't believe how shitty that area is.

[JeremyTheJew]

I'm gonna get laughed at ....

But doesnt anyone at least think its... peculiar.... that detroit boss giacalone is being NAMED in rap songs and thrown around here in the ghetto of Detroit....???

It's now the 5th time he has been brought up by local thug drug dealers here in Detroit....

Tocco was never talked about

[Wiseguy]

Interesting thread about KC from a few years ago,

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1301#p20670

If Scott B can find a way to give structure, titles and purpose to a family, he will.

I'm a little surprised that a family like KC went the way of the dodo so quickly. It's sort of like New Orleans or some of those other small families, the boss goes away for a long stretch and the family falls apart, like there was no real structure in place.
You would think that a family that was able to pull off the Vegas skim would have lasted longer, had more on the ball, so to speak.
Maybe some of the older guys that were left saw Nick Civella die in prison and just let the family die out so they didn't risk suffering the same fate.

It probably has more to do with their recruitment pool drying up—similar to what is happening in New York and elsewhere. The Columbus Park neighborhood used to be an Italian enclave but is now gentrified, full of hipster douchebags, and surrounded by some of the most dangerous, gang-infested neighborhoods in the country.

Yup. They were never a big family. Probably got more attention than they otherwise would have from their involvement in the Vegas skim. And that was due mostly to the family's connections at the time to Teamsters President Roy Lee Williams at the time.

There is a KC chart from 1987 that lists only a Boss and 2 Capos. So it seems even way back in the late 1980s KC was starting to wind down as a structured organization.

And looking at the other charts from 1987 we can see that In terms of structure KC was on a level with families like Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Scranton, Rochester and Cleveland than they were with families like Detroit and Buffalo which they have been frequently compared in recent times.


Pogo

And speaking of recent times, you also have to look at what's left of other families around them in the Midwest. St. Louis has maybe two members left. Not sure Milwaukee has any. Don't see much chance of Kansas City having the numbers floated for them over the years. Though 13 members now, compared to the 30-40 members lists posted 15 years ago, is progress I guess.

I'm gonna get laughed at ....

But doesnt anyone at least think its... peculiar.... that detroit boss giacalone is being NAMED in rap songs and thrown around here in the ghetto of Detroit....???

It's now the 5th time he has been brought up by local thug drug dealers here in Detroit....

Tocco was never talked about

That's funny. Do you have the lyrics?

It's not that peculiar. Black gangbangers have a long history of idolizing Italian mafiosi, especially the more street gangster types. So it makes sense they'd look up more to Giacalone than Tocco. I remember in a commentary about Goodfellas, the Hughes Brothers (who of course directed Menace II Society) said Joe Pesci's character was the favorite of black audiences.

There was that one song by Dr. Dre ("Let Me Ride") that refers to "the Gotti boys." I don't listen to rap and only know it because of the Gotti reference. There was also that music video NAS did where the entire thing was based on Casino. There are probably several black rap songs that refer to Italian mobsters like Capone, Gotti, etc.

[scagghiuni]

I'm a little surprised that a family like KC went the way of the dodo so quickly. It's sort of like New Orleans or some of those other small families, the boss goes away for a long stretch and the family falls apart, like there was no real structure in place.
You would think that a family that was able to pull off the Vegas skim would have lasted longer, had more on the ball, so to speak.
Maybe some of the older guys that were left saw Nick Civella die in prison and just let the family die out so they didn't risk suffering the same fate.

not so quickly anyway, it lasted about 80 years

[PolackTony]

Interesting thread about KC from a few years ago,

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1301#p20670

If Scott B can find a way to give structure, titles and purpose to a family, he will.

I'm a little surprised that a family like KC went the way of the dodo so quickly. It's sort of like New Orleans or some of those other small families, the boss goes away for a long stretch and the family falls apart, like there was no real structure in place.
You would think that a family that was able to pull off the Vegas skim would have lasted longer, had more on the ball, so to speak.
Maybe some of the older guys that were left saw Nick Civella die in prison and just let the family die out so they didn't risk suffering the same fate.

It probably has more to do with their recruitment pool drying up—similar to what is happening in New York and elsewhere. The Columbus Park neighborhood used to be an Italian enclave but is now gentrified, full of hipster douchebags, and surrounded by some of the most dangerous, gang-infested neighborhoods in the country.

Yup. They were never a big family. Probably got more attention than they otherwise would have from their involvement in the Vegas skim. And that was due mostly to the family's connections at the time to Teamsters President Roy Lee Williams at the time.

There is a KC chart from 1987 that lists only a Boss and 2 Capos. So it seems even way back in the late 1980s KC was starting to wind down as a structured organization.

And looking at the other charts from 1987 we can see that In terms of structure KC was on a level with families like Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Scranton, Rochester and Cleveland than they were with families like Detroit and Buffalo which they have been frequently compared in recent times.


Pogo

And speaking of recent times, you also have to look at what's left of other families around them in the Midwest. St. Louis has maybe two members left. Not sure Milwaukee has any. Don't see much chance of Kansas City having the numbers floated for them over the years. Though 13 members now, compared to the 30-40 members lists posted 15 years ago, is progress I guess.

I'm gonna get laughed at ....

But doesnt anyone at least think its... peculiar.... that detroit boss giacalone is being NAMED in rap songs and thrown around here in the ghetto of Detroit....???

It's now the 5th time he has been brought up by local thug drug dealers here in Detroit....

Tocco was never talked about

That's funny. Do you have the lyrics?

It's not that peculiar. Black gangbangers have a long history of idolizing Italian mafiosi, especially the more street gangster types. So it makes sense they'd look up more to Giacalone than Tocco. I remember in a commentary about Goodfellas, the Hughes Brothers (who of course directed Menace II Society) said Joe Pesci's character was the favorite of black audiences.

There was that one song by Dr. Dre ("Let Me Ride") that refers to "the Gotti boys." I don't listen to rap and only know it because of the Gotti reference. There was also that music video NAS did where the entire thing was based on Casino. There are probably several black rap songs that refer to Italian mobsters like Capone, Gotti, etc.

Many such references by rappers over the years, most notably Wu Tang adopting the "Wu Gambinos" affectation. Queens based rapper Kool G Rap referred to himself by the moniker "Giancana" and another Queens based rapper called himself "Capone" (member of the '90's group CNN) while a member of the Chicago gangbanger rap group LEP (and member of the 4 Corner Hustlers) called himself "Mooney".

Alas, none of them seem to have heard of Chuck Nicoletti as "Chuckie Typewriter" would be a great rap name.

[Pogo The Clown]

I see one calls himself "Childish Gambino".


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

I see one calls himself "Childish Gambino".


Pogo

The thing about him is, he's not a rapper at all. At least not a "gangsta rapper." His name is Donald Glover and he is an actor who started out on the NBC sit-com Community. He also played the young Lando Calrissian in the movie Solo. No idea why he chose the music name he did.