DOWNFALL OF CHICAGO MOB’S CHICAGO HEIGHTS CREW CAN BE TRACED BACK TO NORTHWEST INDIANA

[PolackTony]

The problem for me at least is that Sallett's statement is vague and brief. "Running on fumes" of course is a metaphor, and I'm not sure what actual content we should infer from a statement like that. They're doing poorly, they're hard up, they're on the ropes, they're going down the tubes? All of these are plausible given what evidence we do have. The problem is that absence of evidence can't be taken as evidence of absence, and multiple interpretations of what may have happened under Sallett's tenure in Chicago could fit the fact that no major indictments came down. For this reason I find it more traps able to defer judgement. While people have argued here that the lack of indictments is evidence of a lack of significant criminal activity, or as evidence of the fatilure of he feds to put a case together thay could stick, I think it may simply be that the Chicago office under Sallett just want able to focus on whatever remains of the Outfit because they were already up o their necks on much more pressing priorities. Namely out of control gang violence and rampant political corruption. Sallett has stated that even when he took over the Chicago office, he still hadn't quite grasped the scale of Chicago's gang problems and their impact on the city. Attempting to get a handle on gun violence and cartel activity, along with the work on the Burke and Solis stuff, likely took up a big part of their resources and attention during Sallett's brief tenure. So while a lack of indictments is consistent with a reading of a lack of significant Outfit activity, its also consistent with them.simolt nj it being able to devote enough attention to it. In this light, the "fumes" comment would seem to be doing a lot of work for such a brief and vague statement.

Additionally, from what I've seen people have focused a lot on Sallett's statements at the beginning and end of his tenure. Less so on an I te resting statement that he made halfway through, in response to ABC 7 news following DiFronzo 's death:

The new head of the FBI in Chicago disagrees with statement's that there is no mob-or that it is washed up.

"Are they out there leaving people dead in the streets?" asks FBI special agent in charge Jeffrey Sallet. "No. But just because people aren't killing somebody doesn't mean that they don't represent a threat" Sallet said. "Mob guys or Outfit guys-whatever you want to call them-are resilient. Where there is an opportunity to make money, they will engage. The reason they don't kill people the same way they did 25 years ago is because it's bad for business."

Now, he'd been in his position for nearly a year at this point, and yet didn't make any statements about fumes and the like. Presumably by this point he'd already been briefed on the state of OC in the region, and was in a position to sum it up. And what he seems to be saying is that they remain persistent and viable, but not a priority at the moment for LE given other more pressing concerns. I'm not sure what could've changed over the next year to go from the Outfit as "resilient" and still "a threat" to whatever we should infer from "running on fumes". I doubt that the FBI's picture of the Outfit's current viability changed that much over a year in the absence of big changes such as convictions taking out what remains of the leadership.

[PolackTony]

The problem for me at least is that Sallett's statement is vague and brief. "Running on fumes" of course is a metaphor, and I'm not sure what actual content we should infer from a statement like that. They're doing poorly, they're hard up, they're on the ropes, they're going down the tubes? All of these are plausible given what evidence we do have. The problem is that absence of evidence can't be taken as evidence of absence, and multiple interpretations of what may have happened under Sallett's tenure in Chicago could fit the fact that no major indictments came down. For this reason I find it more reasonable to defer judgement. While people have argued here that the lack of indictments is either evidence of a lack of significant criminal activity, or evidence of the failure of the feds to put a case together that could stick, I think it may simply be that the Chicago office under Sallett just wasn't able to focus on whatever remains of the Outfit because they were already up to their necks with much more pressing priorities. Namely out of control gang violence and rampant political corruption. Sallett has stated that even when he took over the Chicago office, he still hadn't quite grasped the scale of Chicago's gang problems and their impact on the city. Attempting to get a handle on gun violence and cartel activity, along with the work on the Burke and Solis stuff, likely took up a big part of their resources and attention during Sallett's brief tenure. So while a lack of indictments is consistent with a reading of a lack of significant Outfit activity, its also consistent with them just not being able to devote enough attention to it. In this light, the "fumes" comment would seem to be doing a lot of work for such a brief and vague statement.

Additionally, from what I've seen people have focused a lot on Sallett's statements at the beginning and end of his tenure. Less so on an interesting statement that he made halfway through, in response to ABC 7 news following DiFronzo 's death:

The new head of the FBI in Chicago disagrees with statement's that there is no mob-or that it is washed up.

"Are they out there leaving people dead in the streets?" asks FBI special agent in charge Jeffrey Sallet. "No. But just because people aren't killing somebody doesn't mean that they don't represent a threat" Sallet said. "Mob guys or Outfit guys-whatever you want to call them-are resilient. Where there is an opportunity to make money, they will engage. The reason they don't kill people the same way they did 25 years ago is because it's bad for business."

Now, he'd been in his position for nearly a year at this point, and yet didn't make any statements about fumes and the like. Presumably by this point he'd already been briefed on the state of OC in the region, and was in a position to sum it up. And what he seems to be saying is that they remain persistent and viable, but not a priority at the moment for LE given other more pressing concerns. I'm not sure what could've changed over the next year to go from the Outfit as "resilient" and still "a threat" to whatever we should infer from "running on fumes". I doubt that the FBI's picture of the Outfit's current viability changed that much over a year in the absence of big changes such as convictions taking out what remains of the leadership.

Edited the original post for typos (typing on the phone like a cidrul')

[Tonyd621]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

When the new Chicago FBI Chief comes in talking about taking on the Outfit and leaves 2 years later saying that the Outfit is running on fumes just cannot be ignored.

100% correct. So, what are my choices? Either I believe the F.B.I. Director who was there for 2 years or I believe a fan crying about what he stated? For me, it's not a difficult choice at all.

So what's the point of being on here then if your not willing to entertain anyone elses opinion but your own about LE?

Hey the feds still list them as a viable family

For the record and the point is he said they were running on fumes when he first came into his position in chicago. Not when he left. So, he said that in 2016-17 not recently.

[Confederate]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

When the new Chicago FBI Chief comes in talking about taking on the Outfit and leaves 2 years later saying that the Outfit is running on fumes just cannot be ignored.

100% correct. So, what are my choices? Either I believe the F.B.I. Director who was there for 2 years or I believe a fan crying about what he stated? For me, it's not a difficult choice at all.

So what's the point of being on here then if your not willing to entertain anyone elses opinion but your own about LE?

Hey the feds still list them as a viable family

For the record and the point is he said they were running on fumes when he first came into his position in chicago. Not when he left. So, he said that in 2016-17 not recently.

Sorry, Wrong Again. When Sallet first started, he said he was going to "Put the Final Nail in The Coffin Of The Outfit". When he left two years later, he said "The Outfit is "Running On Fumes".

[Tonyd621]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

When the new Chicago FBI Chief comes in talking about taking on the Outfit and leaves 2 years later saying that the Outfit is running on fumes just cannot be ignored.

100% correct. So, what are my choices? Either I believe the F.B.I. Director who was there for 2 years or I believe a fan crying about what he stated? For me, it's not a difficult choice at all.

So what's the point of being on here then if your not willing to entertain anyone elses opinion but your own about LE?

Hey the feds still list them as a viable family

For the record and the point is he said they were running on fumes when he first came into his position in chicago. Not when he left. So, he said that in 2016-17 not recently.

Sorry, Wrong Again. When Sallet first started, he said he was going to "Put the Final Nail in The Coffin Of The Outfit". When he left two years later, he said "The Outfit is "Running On Fumes".

Nah, your wrong. He said running on fumes in '16.' Even if you are right. There was no federal indictments. He didnt make any. Not one arrest, not one Rico. Unless, Sallet arrested and jailed every last remaining outfitmember and didnt want the publicity for it. And secretly they are done, bc sallett says so.

[Frank]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

When the new Chicago FBI Chief comes in talking about taking on the Outfit and leaves 2 years later saying that the Outfit is running on fumes just cannot be ignored.

100% correct. So, what are my choices? Either I believe the F.B.I. Director who was there for 2 years or I believe a fan crying about what he stated? For me, it's not a difficult choice at all.

So what's the point of being on here then if your not willing to entertain anyone elses opinion but your own about LE?

Hey the feds still list them as a viable family

For the record and the point is he said they were running on fumes when he first came into his position in chicago. Not when he left. So, he said that in 2016-17 not recently.

Sorry, Wrong Again. When Sallet first started, he said he was going to "Put the Final Nail in The Coffin Of The Outfit". When he left two years later, he said "The Outfit is "Running On Fumes".

Nah, your wrong. He said running on fumes in '16.' Even if you are right. There was no federal indictments. He didnt make any. Not one arrest, not one Rico. Unless, Sallet arrested and jailed every last remaining outfitmember and didnt want the publicity for it. And secretly they are done, bc sallett says so.

I believe he came to Chicago, actually it had to be 2017, because I was a BHF member. Wasnt a member in 2016. I believe Confederate is right.He came in saying he hadnt forgot about the Outfit. And left saying the mob in Chicago is running on fumes. That was last year, 2019.He was here in Chicago for about 2 years.

[Frank]

He wasnt here long. The Alderman Eddie Burke case probably started before he arrived, but the arrest came on his watch. But I think for him to make the running on fumes statement, I believe Sallet wouldnt have said it, if he hadnt assessed the situation and come to his conclusion that I think he really believes.

[Wiseguy]

Nah, your wrong. He said running on fumes in '16.' Even if you are right. There was no federal indictments. He didnt make any. Not one arrest, not one Rico. Unless, Sallet arrested and jailed every last remaining outfitmember and didnt want the publicity for it. And secretly they are done, bc sallett says so.

The fact you're basically trying to argue that no indictments could mean they're stronger than we think says something.

Other than rambling off some names, and saying there are "still social clubs," etc. you (and certain others here) really haven't supported your belief at all. Hence, I'm inclined to think it's speculation based on wishful thinking more than anything else.

And while I agree we shouldn't just look at a single comment apart from everything else, I also recall after the Family Secrets case Ronald Goldstock said, "What you're seeing in Chicago and elsewhere are mopping up operations."

Apart from the greater NY metro area, where the mob is still considered a priority, "mopping up operations" seems to be the case for the New England, New Jersey, Philadelphia, and Chicago families. I'm usually not one for predictions but, if you guys think we're going to see substantial evidence supporting your theory of a stronger Outfit, I think you're going to be disappointed.

[Tonyd621]

Why dont you guys just start a LE forum? Where we believe things that LE says and does and only go by that?
B/C if they said it. It must be true. Family Secrets 2?
Unsolved murders? Theres still a quite a few. Vena Indictment? And nothing? Must all be LE.
Everything I say is immediatley discounted bc LE has an opinion that differs. Does anyone every entertain an opinion other then LE's?

[Confederate]

Why dont you guys just start a LE forum? Where we believe things that LE says and does and only go by that?
Everything I say is immediatley discounted bc LE has an opinion that differs. Does anyone every entertain an opinion other then LE's?

You are correct about everything you say means nothing compared to the F.B.I Director. I agree with you on that statement 100%.

So, therefore, YOU need to start your own Forum called "the Chicago Outfit Fanboy Club" where all facts by the F.B.I. are immediately discounted & your Forum will be run by people like you who only want "pump up" the dying "home team" where you can be happy & mentally masturbate over it & ignore the lying Feds who don't know anything. Good luck with it.

[Wiseguy]

Why dont you guys just start a LE forum? Where we believe things that LE says and does and only go by that?
B/C if they said it. It must be true. Family Secrets 2?
Unsolved murders? Theres still a quite a few. Vena Indictment? And nothing? Must all be LE.
Everything I say is immediatley discounted bc LE has an opinion that differs. Does anyone every entertain an opinion other then LE's?

I'd address your post above but I can't make much sense of most of it.

Anyway, I like to think the Black Hand is a getting to the truth forum. And we've seen again and again that law enforcement is usually the most consistent way of getting to the truth.

Opinions are fine but, if anyone has an opinion that differs from law enforcement, they damn well should have something significant to back it up. If you or others have something like that, I'm all ears.

[Mason_dixon]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

Don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic. However, if you are serious, the answer is that if we don't have a consistent standard of reference on this Board about the Mafia which would be the Feds who know way more than any poster here, then the only other criteria for all discussions would revolve around a bunch of bullshitting local assholes claiming outrageous things with no facts to back them up.

If you believe the Outfit is "rebuilding" & "growing in strength & power" (which is the complete opposite of reality) then I have some swamp land to sell you in the everglades that is prime real estate.

All your posts are the same man. You believe the government explicitly. Your not very ambiguous in your thinking. Whatever the say is the truth. And that's the end of it. Right? Thats what you think.

Thanks for backing me up. It’s all about funding they want us to believe the mob is on its last leg and close to death but they just need this amount of money for salaries, bonuses, company vehicles and the best health insurance there is to offer. It’s all government overreach which is a comfy train till China litterally owns us as slabeszdtf

[Pogo The Clown]

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I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

Don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic. However, if you are serious, the answer is that if we don't have a consistent standard of reference on this Board about the Mafia which would be the Feds who know way more than any poster here, then the only other criteria for all discussions would revolve around a bunch of bullshitting local assholes claiming outrageous things with no facts to back them up.

If you believe the Outfit is "rebuilding" & "growing in strength & power" (which is the complete opposite of reality) then I have some swamp land to sell you in the everglades that is prime real estate.
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All your posts are the same man. You believe the government explicitly. Your not very ambiguous in your thinking. Whatever the say is the truth. And that's the end of it. Right? Thats what you think.
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Thanks for backing me up. It’s all about funding they want us to believe the mob is on its last leg and close to death but they just need this amount of money for salaries, bonuses, company vehicles and the best health insurance there is to offer. It’s all government overreach which is a comfy train till China litterally owns us as slabeszdtf
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Your post makes no sense. Down playing LCN means a need for less agents, less overtime, budget reductions, agent reassignments, less funding for the OC divisions, etc. If anything they would be hyping up the threat of LCN to increase their funding and job security.


Pogo

[Confederate]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

Don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic. However, if you are serious, the answer is that if we don't have a consistent standard of reference on this Board about the Mafia which would be the Feds who know way more than any poster here, then the only other criteria for all discussions would revolve around a bunch of bullshitting local assholes claiming outrageous things with no facts to back them up.

If you believe the Outfit is "rebuilding" & "growing in strength & power" (which is the complete opposite of reality) then I have some swamp land to sell you in the everglades that is prime real estate.

All your posts are the same man. You believe the government explicitly. Your not very ambiguous in your thinking. Whatever the say is the truth. And that's the end of it. Right? Thats what you think.

Thanks for backing me up. It’s all about funding they want us to believe the mob is on its last leg and close to death but they just need this amount of money for salaries, bonuses, company vehicles and the best health insurance there is to offer. It’s all government overreach which is a comfy train till China litterally owns us as slabeszdtf

I'm glad you've got it all figured without a shred of proof so that it all fits neatly into your "fanboy logic" & makes you feel good that the Outfit isn't "Running On Fumes". Thanks for telling us. Anything else we need to know.....?

[Tonyd621]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

Don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic. However, if you are serious, the answer is that if we don't have a consistent standard of reference on this Board about the Mafia which would be the Feds who know way more than any poster here, then the only other criteria for all discussions would revolve around a bunch of bullshitting local assholes claiming outrageous things with no facts to back them up.

If you believe the Outfit is "rebuilding" & "growing in strength & power" (which is the complete opposite of reality) then I have some swamp land to sell you in the everglades that is prime real estate.

All your posts are the same man. You believe the government explicitly. Your not very ambiguous in your thinking. Whatever the say is the truth. And that's the end of it. Right? Thats what you think.

Thanks for backing me up. It’s all about funding they want us to believe the mob is on its last leg and close to death but they just need this amount of money for salaries, bonuses, company vehicles and the best health insurance there is to offer. It’s all government overreach which is a comfy train till China litterally owns us as slabeszdtf

I'm glad you've got it all figured without a shred of proof so that it all fits neatly into your "fanboy logic" & makes you feel good that the Outfit isn't "Running On Fumes". Thanks for telling us. Anything else we need to know.....?

You dont have a shred of proof either! Just some words some guy in a suit said. I know jeff sallett is some high speed, high caliber guy who terminates anything he sets his eyes on. The minute he mentioned the outfit they all just were set on fire and vanished from the earth.