DOWNFALL OF CHICAGO MOB’S CHICAGO HEIGHTS CREW CAN BE TRACED BACK TO NORTHWEST INDIANA

[Wiseguy]

I don't believe he really did anything about the "fumes" because there was really nothing to do. What was he supposed to do? INVENT activity that didn't exist? Also, Sallet MAY have started some ongoing investigation that is continuing right now after he left for all we know. So, I'm not sure what your point is concerning your statement? Are you disagreeing with Sallett & saying the Outfit is NOT running on fumes? Are you saying he was lying about his statement?

Given that it happened relatively early in the new guy Buie's tenure, possible that the DelGiudice investigation began under Sallet. But if that was the best they were able to come up with (with the questionable assumption this was Outfit related at all) it certainly would point to running on fumes. Besides, Sallet is a smart guy. He's lived in Boston, NYC, DC, NOLA and now realizes that Chicago is the Best City (based on his "exit interviews" with local media) lol.

He is now in HR. That is where dreams go to die. Nobody wants to be in HR. Maybe, he just didnt have enough to make a convincing case? He publicly called out the outfit about making a case. And he wasnt able too. There is still unsolved murders, still social clubs, still mob activity to make a case. He just didnt. It's not like whatever was left went underground when he announced that. I mean he was there since at least from mid 2017 to recently and nothing. I mean you still got Dote, Caruso, Cataudella, Delaurentis, Spina, Vena, Gagliano, Bellavia, and the list goes on. He couldnt make a case, not a one.

First, reading your post, you make it sound as if Sallet failed to bring a case against some thriving criminal organization in Chicago and, as punishment, the FBI brass back in DC demoted him to processing resumes. Setting aside the revisionist history, Sallet was promoted. First to Associate Executive Assistant Director of the Finance and Facilities Division, and then to Executive Assistant Director of the FBI's Human Resources Branch. He's now part of the DC brass.

Second, if you read about his time in Chicago, Sallet was apparently more concerned with things like public corruption and street gang violence than whatever is left of the Outfit. And you simply listing off some names is not evidence of who is involved in what and how much.

Third, we don't need to just consider Sallet's "fumes" comment. We can see the vastly shrunken Outfit, down to a few crews (at most) and around 20 members (most of whom are rather old and not much sign of being very active). We can see the relative decline in cases, which fits with what Sallet has said before - the New York families are still a problem but elsewhere the LCN isn't really considered a priority for law enforcement.

[Mason_dixon]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

[Tonyd621]

I don't believe he really did anything about the "fumes" because there was really nothing to do. What was he supposed to do? INVENT activity that didn't exist? Also, Sallet MAY have started some ongoing investigation that is continuing right now after he left for all we know. So, I'm not sure what your point is concerning your statement? Are you disagreeing with Sallett & saying the Outfit is NOT running on fumes? Are you saying he was lying about his statement?

Given that it happened relatively early in the new guy Buie's tenure, possible that the DelGiudice investigation began under Sallet. But if that was the best they were able to come up with (with the questionable assumption this was Outfit related at all) it certainly would point to running on fumes. Besides, Sallet is a smart guy. He's lived in Boston, NYC, DC, NOLA and now realizes that Chicago is the Best City (based on his "exit interviews" with local media) lol.

He is now in HR. That is where dreams go to die. Nobody wants to be in HR. Maybe, he just didnt have enough to make a convincing case? He publicly called out the outfit about making a case. And he wasnt able too. There is still unsolved murders, still social clubs, still mob activity to make a case. He just didnt. It's not like whatever was left went underground when he announced that. I mean he was there since at least from mid 2017 to recently and nothing. I mean you still got Dote, Caruso, Cataudella, Delaurentis, Spina, Vena, Gagliano, Bellavia, and the list goes on. He couldnt make a case, not a one.

First, reading your post, you make it sound as if Sallet failed to bring a case against some thriving criminal organization in Chicago and, as punishment, the FBI brass back in DC demoted him to processing resumes. Setting aside the revisionist history, Sallet was promoted. First to Associate Executive Assistant Director of the Finance and Facilities Division, and then to Executive Assistant Director of the FBI's Human Resources Branch. He's now part of the DC brass.

Second, if you read about his time in Chicago, Sallet was apparently more concerned with things like public corruption and street gang violence than whatever is left of the Outfit. And you simply listing off some names is not evidence of who is involved in what and how much.

Third, we don't need to just consider Sallet's "fumes" comment. We can see the vastly shrunken Outfit, down to a few crews (at most) and around 20 members (most of whom are rather old and not much sign of being very active). We can see the relative decline in cases, which fits with what Sallet has said before - the New York families are still a problem but elsewhere the LCN isn't really considered a priority for law enforcement.

Hes in charge of HR now. You know handling internal complaints and training for rookies. That's not top DC brass. And I never said thriving. I just said he failed to bring up a case. Not a one unsolved murder? Nothing. I get it the outfit isnt strong and there is other priorities. But hes the one that said it's running fumes and he said he has forgotten about you-the outfit and to let them go bc they're done would be a huge mistake. That was in what 2016,2017 and three yrs what pudgy matassa and ss fraud? That's it. I am going by what he said when became head of the office. I just dont think the FBI knows everything and solves everything. Some do. I dont.

[Wiseguy]

Hes in charge of HR now. You know handling internal complaints and training for rookies. That's not top DC brass. And I never said thriving. I just said he failed to bring up a case. Not a one unsolved murder? Nothing. I get it the outfit isnt strong and there is other priorities. But hes the one that said it's running fumes and he said he has forgotten about you-the outfit and to let them go bc they're done would be a huge mistake. That was in what 2016,2017 and three yrs what pudgy matassa and ss fraud? That's it. I am going by what he said when became head of the office. I just dont think the FBI knows everything and solves everything. Some do. I dont.

Nobody said the FBI knows everything or solves everything. Simply that they know more than anyone here. And Sallet's comments, and there being no major mob cases during his tenure in Chicago, aren't mutually exclusive. So I'm still not clear on what your point is.

[Confederate]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

Don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic. However, if you are serious, the answer is that if we don't have a consistent standard of reference on this Board about the Mafia which would be the Feds who know way more than any poster here, then the only other criteria for all discussions would revolve around a bunch of bullshitting local assholes claiming outrageous things with no facts to back them up.

If you believe the Outfit is "rebuilding" & "growing in strength & power" (which is the complete opposite of reality) then I have some swamp land to sell you in the everglades that is prime real estate.

[Tonyd621]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

Don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic. However, if you are serious, the answer is that if we don't have a consistent standard of reference on this Board about the Mafia which would be the Feds who know way more than any poster here, then the only other criteria for all discussions would revolve around a bunch of bullshitting local assholes claiming outrageous things with no facts to back them up.

If you believe the Outfit is "rebuilding" & "growing in strength & power" (which is the complete opposite of reality) then I have some swamp land to sell you in the everglades that is prime real estate.

All your posts are the same man. You believe the government explicitly. Your not very ambiguous in your thinking. Whatever the say is the truth. And that's the end of it. Right? Thats what you think.

[Wiseguy]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

You're free to believe what you want but there's absolutely nothing to support that. Nothing.

And, while nobody claims they are infallible, law enforcement has proven to be the best and most consistent source of information on the mob. We've seen time and again that those who want to argue against law enforcement's position on something regarding the mob can virtually always plan on being proven wrong sooner or later. Consider it a lesson of history at this point, as far as these forums are concerned.

[Frank]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

When the new Chicago FBI Chief comes in talking about taking on the Outfit and leaves 2 years later saying that the Outfit is running on fumes just cannot be ignored.

[Confederate]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

Don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic. However, if you are serious, the answer is that if we don't have a consistent standard of reference on this Board about the Mafia which would be the Feds who know way more than any poster here, then the only other criteria for all discussions would revolve around a bunch of bullshitting local assholes claiming outrageous things with no facts to back them up.

If you believe the Outfit is "rebuilding" & "growing in strength & power" (which is the complete opposite of reality) then I have some swamp land to sell you in the everglades that is prime real estate.

All your posts are the same man. You believe the government explicitly. Your not very ambiguous in your thinking. Whatever the say is the truth. And that's the end of it. Right? Thats what you think.

Well, Let's put it this way, I believe Jeff Sallet's statement 100 times more than I believe you or any anonymous poster trying to say the opposite.

[Confederate]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

When the new Chicago FBI Chief comes in talking about taking on the Outfit and leaves 2 years later saying that the Outfit is running on fumes just cannot be ignored.

100% correct. So, what are my choices? Either I believe the F.B.I. Director who was there for 2 years or I believe a fan crying about what he stated? For me, it's not a difficult choice at all.

[Tonyd621]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

When the new Chicago FBI Chief comes in talking about taking on the Outfit and leaves 2 years later saying that the Outfit is running on fumes just cannot be ignored.

100% correct. So, what are my choices? Either I believe the F.B.I. Director who was there for 2 years or I believe a fan crying about what he stated? For me, it's not a difficult choice at all.

So what's the point of being on here then if your not willing to entertain anyone elses opinion but your own about LE?

[Confederate]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

When the new Chicago FBI Chief comes in talking about taking on the Outfit and leaves 2 years later saying that the Outfit is running on fumes just cannot be ignored.

100% correct. So, what are my choices? Either I believe the F.B.I. Director who was there for 2 years or I believe a fan crying about what he stated? For me, it's not a difficult choice at all.

So what's the point of being on here then if your not willing to entertain anyone elses opinion but your own about LE?

Because "your opinion" compared to Jeff Sallet's conclusion means nothing to me. I only care about facts presented by the F.B.I. & any documents to support it like the Mary Ferrell documents or things testified in Court under oath. Does that finally answer your question or are we going to go on about it for 300 pages debating about what Jeff Sallet said that bothers you to no end?

[Frank]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

When the new Chicago FBI Chief comes in talking about taking on the Outfit and leaves 2 years later saying that the Outfit is running on fumes just cannot be ignored.

100% correct. So, what are my choices? Either I believe the F.B.I. Director who was there for 2 years or I believe a fan crying about what he stated? For me, it's not a difficult choice at all.

So what's the point of being on here then if your not willing to entertain anyone elses opinion but your own about LE?

Listen, I tend to agree that there might be more guys that were made in the last 25 years. And there might be more Outfit action going on than we know. Its possible they are stronger than what most think. But you cannot ignor Salettes statement. He came in talking shit and left saying nothings worth a shit.

[Frank]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

When the new Chicago FBI Chief comes in talking about taking on the Outfit and leaves 2 years later saying that the Outfit is running on fumes just cannot be ignored.

100% correct. So, what are my choices? Either I believe the F.B.I. Director who was there for 2 years or I believe a fan crying about what he stated? For me, it's not a difficult choice at all.

So what's the point of being on here then if your not willing to entertain anyone elses opinion but your own about LE?

I live near Chicago and remember the Outfit being in the news all the time. Now lol.You can take that anyway you want. If they are stronger then what we think, its a whole different animal than what it once was. I dont think anyone is saying you are incorrect in comming to the conclusion that they might be alittle bigger than what we know for sure. But for a FBI guy coming in with a hard on to take on the Outfit, to leave saying they are running on fumes, has to mean something to you. Come on dude.

[Frank]

I don’t know why so many of you believe anything A federal law enforcement says. I believe Chicago is far from over And there’s so many other problems there that’s one Of their least worries. I believe they are rebuilding and growing in strength and power.

When the new Chicago FBI Chief comes in talking about taking on the Outfit and leaves 2 years later saying that the Outfit is running on fumes just cannot be ignored.

100% correct. So, what are my choices? Either I believe the F.B.I. Director who was there for 2 years or I believe a fan crying about what he stated? For me, it's not a difficult choice at all.

So what's the point of being on here then if your not willing to entertain anyone elses opinion but your own about LE?

Hey the feds still list them as a viable family