John DiFronzo was a CI?

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And that photo. Standing behind a man in his 80s with deteriorating mental capacity--as noted in news articles when he passed away in a restaurant you know he eats at regularly with a smartphone is not exactley the most credible photo. A photo that had to be developed the old way or at a family gathering or non public atmosphere would be better imo.
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Tonyd621 wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:51 pm And that photo. Standing behind a man in his 80s with deteriorating mental capacity--as noted in news articles when he passed away in a restaurant you know he eats at regularly with a smartphone is not exactley the most credible photo. A photo that had to be developed the old way or at a family gathering or non public atmosphere would be better imo.
I give some credibility to Fosco, because, though not a member of the Outfit himself, his dad was. It appears he is or was close to some made members and their family members.
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The CI part sounds like pure speculation, possible, but hardly definitive. I'd say the relationship with Carlisi and his people might be more grounded in fact.
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Frank wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:08 pm Another thing I find interesting is his mention again of Willie Messino as co underboss.
Yes this jumped out at me as significant as well, as I hadn't heard this before and I'm not aware of another example of this type of arrangement in the Outfit. I was hoping to see some commentary about this as well.

And regarding Messino, I have no idea where Fosco got his info about DiFronzo as a CI here. But he does claim to have had a close relationship to Willie and I see no reason to doubt him on that.
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PolackTony wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:28 pm
Frank wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:08 pm Another thing I find interesting is his mention again of Willie Messino as co underboss.
Yes this jumped out at me as significant as well, as I hadn't heard this before and I'm not aware of another example of this type of arrangement in the Outfit. I was hoping to see some commentary about this as well.

And regarding Messino, I have no idea where Fosco got his info about DiFronzo as a CI here. But he does claim to have had a close relationship to Willie and I see no reason to doubt him on that.
When Messino got out of jail, he was reported as being next to Cerone who in turn was the underboss, sometimes as his driver and constant companion, and sometimes as his advisor or something like that...
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Villain wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:51 am
PolackTony wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:28 pm
Frank wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:08 pm Another thing I find interesting is his mention again of Willie Messino as co underboss.
Yes this jumped out at me as significant as well, as I hadn't heard this before and I'm not aware of another example of this type of arrangement in the Outfit. I was hoping to see some commentary about this as well.

And regarding Messino, I have no idea where Fosco got his info about DiFronzo as a CI here. But he does claim to have had a close relationship to Willie and I see no reason to doubt him on that.
When Messino got out of jail, he was reported as being next to Cerone who in turn was the underboss, sometimes as his driver and constant companion, and sometimes as his advisor or something like that...
This is accurate. I know a lady who grew up in the neighborhood and worked at a business Cerone frequented, Willie drove him and was with him constantly.
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funkster wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:04 am
Villain wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:51 am
PolackTony wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:28 pm
Frank wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:08 pm Another thing I find interesting is his mention again of Willie Messino as co underboss.
Yes this jumped out at me as significant as well, as I hadn't heard this before and I'm not aware of another example of this type of arrangement in the Outfit. I was hoping to see some commentary about this as well.

And regarding Messino, I have no idea where Fosco got his info about DiFronzo as a CI here. But he does claim to have had a close relationship to Willie and I see no reason to doubt him on that.
When Messino got out of jail, he was reported as being next to Cerone who in turn was the underboss, sometimes as his driver and constant companion, and sometimes as his advisor or something like that...
This is accurate. I know a lady who grew up in the neighborhood and worked at a business Cerone frequented, Willie drove him and was with him constantly.
Correct. According to addresses given in the book "Captive City", Cerone & Messino lived on the same street. Seems like he was Cerone's bodyguard in the same way Blasi was for Giancana.
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I will also say Willie's temper was pretty legendary and supposedly Cerone had to regularly keep him from slapping people around.
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