Other Ethnic Organizations

[TommyShots]

they just start a set without any ok?

Yes. After the LA Crips and Bloods got national media attention a lot of the black gangs in other parts of the country started adopting the names. Most of these gangs have no connection to each other.


Pogo

According to Crime Statistics, members of Crip sets are killed by other Crips more than anyone else. The Names "Crips" or "Bloods" mean nothing. It's one little neighborhood gang against another. Always has been. That's why the shootings & murders rates are astronomical.

They do mean something, they’re acronyms. And now they act that way but in the early 1970s they had fist fights, and neighborhood rumbles and against the racists in the 60s. They were made to protect neighborhoods in LA before their own gang culture got lost & the founders were murdered/Incarcerated.

They mean nothing. They destroy their own neighborhoods. The innocent people who live there are "trapped" & are "victims" of these criminals.
Wake the fuck up.

Hence why I said, LOST THEIR OWN GANG CULTURE, every gang ends up that way. If anyone that needs awakening is you, that’s not your flag, It ain’t 1860 anymore.

They never had a "culture". They were low life scumbag street criminals who victimized their own people RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING, you stupid naive asshole.

Really? Okay, every street gang today and even way back always had the same goal, protect their own people/neighborhoods from others who’ll rob/attack them. With time, as numbers grew, mentalities started to change and principles were lost, that’s when the “culture” that THE GANG had was forgotten. I live in NY & I’m an immigrant I see this & have knowledge about. Now you’re just a narrow minded redneck, what do you know about this?

[Pogo The Clown]

Are you kidding? The crips were street criminals from the beginning. Same with every other gang, starting out or otherwise. Hence why they are gangs and and not social clubs or fraternal organizations.


Pogo

[DPG]

Here we go again

[Confederate]

they just start a set without any ok?

Yes. After the LA Crips and Bloods got national media attention a lot of the black gangs in other parts of the country started adopting the names. Most of these gangs have no connection to each other.


Pogo

According to Crime Statistics, members of Crip sets are killed by other Crips more than anyone else. The Names "Crips" or "Bloods" mean nothing. It's one little neighborhood gang against another. Always has been. That's why the shootings & murders rates are astronomical.

They do mean something, they’re acronyms. And now they act that way but in the early 1970s they had fist fights, and neighborhood rumbles and against the racists in the 60s. They were made to protect neighborhoods in LA before their own gang culture got lost & the founders were murdered/Incarcerated.

They mean nothing. They destroy their own neighborhoods. The innocent people who live there are "trapped" & are "victims" of these criminals.
Wake the fuck up.

Hence why I said, LOST THEIR OWN GANG CULTURE, every gang ends up that way. If anyone that needs awakening is you, that’s not your flag, It ain’t 1860 anymore.

They never had a "culture". They were low life scumbag street criminals who victimized their own people RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING, you stupid naive asshole.

Really? Okay, every street gang today and even way back always had the same goal, protect their own people/neighborhoods from others who’ll rob/attack them. With time, as numbers grew, mentalities started to change and principles were lost, that’s when the “culture” that THE GANG had was forgotten. I live in NY & I’m an immigrant I see this & have knowledge about. Now you’re just a narrow minded redneck, what do you know about this?

Well, this "redneck" knows a hell of a lot more about it than a stupid poor immigrant idiot like you that I can buy & sell a 1,000 times from rich Pensacola Beach instead of the shithole ghetto where you live in your naïve world. That's what I know.

[Confederate]

Are you kidding? The crips were street criminals from the beginning. Same with every other gang, starting out or otherwise. Hence why they are gangs and and not social clubs or fraternal organizations.


Pogo

This is the same guy who said Francesco Inzerillo Jr. had already taken part in a murder & was being groomed by the Zips. Yeah Okay.
He must have heard about it from one of his Crip brothas.

[TommyShots]

Are you kidding? The crips were street criminals from the beginning. Same with every other gang, starting out or otherwise. Hence why they are gangs and and not social clubs or fraternal organizations.


Pogo

This is the same guy who said Francesco Inzerillo Jr. had already taken part in a murder & was being groomed by the Zips. Yeah Okay.
He must have heard about it from one of his Crip brothas.

[scagghiuni]

criminal gangs as bloods, crips, latin kings, ms-13 usually don't seem to bring sons into their organizations and they appears loosely organized but they are still alive and they started a long time ago, the latin kings in 1948 if i remember right

Apples and oranges. With LCN families, there is typically a clear line of succession that shows it's the same organization that started X number of years ago. Many of these gangs are essentially a brand where one can start in some area, at any given time, and call itself by that name. For example, Blood and Crip sets started popping up in New York/New Jersey in the 1990s but had little or no connection to the original gangs that started in Los Angeles in the 1970s. Because of this, the brand will last, even though sets may come and go. Also, most gang members only age on range from 13-25. Some go into their 30s, or even 40s, but they are the exception.

they just start a set without any ok? they know some member in prison and they claim they are bloods/ms-13/latin kings etc. when they are released? disconnected gangs with a label... in europe there are some gangs who says they belongs to ms-13 and latin kings, but i bet they started it on their own, maybe in salvador ms-13 is a bit more organized

Ms-13 tends to be sort of organized. Every clique has a “first word”( the boss) and a “second word” (like an underboss). Most cliques answer to gang members in El Salvador and some cliques answer to gang members in Los Angeles. However some cliques are independent but those that are get a green light.

probably a bit more organized than other street gangs because at least they have a territory of reference (el salvador), but the the low age of the members makes me think that there is not any core leadership and permanent structure

[scagghiuni]

They do mean something, they’re acronyms. And now they act that way but in the early 1970s they had fist fights, and neighborhood rumbles and against the racists in the 60s. They were made to protect neighborhoods in LA before their own gang culture got lost & the founders were murdered/Incarcerated.

it's the same bullshit i heard about the mafia both in italy and the united states, that was born in order to protect something or somebody, while it's clear it was a criminal organization since the beginning, same for yakuza, triads and whoever

[Etna]

There are Crip on Crip murders. The Crips started as West Side Crips, East Side Crips, Compton Crips and a few others (104th street and avalon gardens I think). Then there were other independent gangs/clubs as they originally started out as - the Bishops, Piru street boys, Denver lanes, Brims and so on. When the Crips started spreading they'd target various independent gangs, who then merged together to form the Blood alliance in opposition. Piru - often claimed by multiple other gangs outside of LA are really centered in Compton because there is a Piru Street there. Not in other cities.

You have Crip sub factions - Gangster Crips, Rollin 30s, Hustler Crips, Mafia Crips etc - these subsets (not sure on the specifics) conflict with each other. You even had Hoover Crips (started as Hoover Groovers) who later separated from the Crips and use the color orange and now identify as "Hoover Criminal Gang". They are more of an "anybody killer" abk or ebk is the acronym for it.

Even the brown on black fighting has picked up i.e. 76 East Coast Crips vs. Florencia 13 and then Black P Stones against 18th street. They certainly don't help anyone in their neighborhood - and I'm not sure if they've ever done a single positive thing.

In New York you have like G Shine Crips and Mack Miller Bloods or whatever - all bullshit sets that have no tie to LA. There is truly no tie to them. The only thing you have is someone "claims" to have given someone permission from LA sets to start. In Baltimore you had the Tree Top Piru (once again, there's no Piru Street in Baltimore). But local thugs claim they were given permission from Compton and started their own set. That set was taken down by the feds and later, the remaining members on the street started the Murdaland Mafia Piru. Instead of keeping the name - like Cali gangs do, they simply changed it up and adopted their own ideology. They even assigned crew bosses - but under italian mafia ranks. They assigned bosses and underbosses to each crew. It's a joke and these guys don't even live in the geographic areas like the LA gangs do that are truely neighborhood groups. Baltimore's versions are just drug crews who decided to adopt the name of Cali gangs to receive more street cred.

[Wiseguy]

That Crips still outnumber Bloods on the West Coast is probably a reason you see larger number of Bloods (so called) on the East Coast.

Anyway, even from the original Piru gang, you have various set breakoffs. And even within the Pirus, would it be possible to trace real a lineage back to the few guys who originally started it?

The point being, while the name "Blood," "Crip," etc. may continue on, that doesn't necessarily an organization using that brand has.

[scagghiuni]

they just start a set without any ok?

Yes. After the LA Crips and Bloods got national media attention a lot of the black gangs in other parts of the country started adopting the names. Most of these gangs have no connection to each other.


Pogo

According to Crime Statistics, members of Crip sets are killed by other Crips more than anyone else. The Names "Crips" or "Bloods" mean nothing. It's one little neighborhood gang against another. Always has been. That's why the shootings & murders rates are astronomical.

inside a neighborhood when a blood/crip set is dismantled is replaced by another one or what?

[TommyShots]

they just start a set without any ok?

Yes. After the LA Crips and Bloods got national media attention a lot of the black gangs in other parts of the country started adopting the names. Most of these gangs have no connection to each other.


Pogo

According to Crime Statistics, members of Crip sets are killed by other Crips more than anyone else. The Names "Crips" or "Bloods" mean nothing. It's one little neighborhood gang against another. Always has been. That's why the shootings & murders rates are astronomical.

inside a neighborhood when a blood/crip set is dismantled is replaced by another one or what?

They usually get over taken by another member & it keeps going until they get bored or go to jail/die.

[TommyShots]

That Crips still outnumber Bloods on the West Coast is probably a reason you see larger number of Bloods (so called) on the East Coast.

Anyway, even from the original Piru gang, you have various set breakoffs. And even within the Pirus, would it be possible to trace real a lineage back to the few guys who originally started it?

The point being, while the name "Blood," "Crip," etc. may continue on, that doesn't necessarily an organization using that brand has.

Yeah, over here in NY Blood gangs outnumber Crip gangs 5:1

[scagghiuni]

They usually get over taken by another member & it keeps going until they get bored or go to jail/die.

i asked because in the street gangs indictments the members are usually all under 40, why there are not older members although some gangs are pretty old

[TommyShots]

They usually get over taken by another member & it keeps going until they get bored or go to jail/die.

i asked because in the street gangs indictments the members are usually all under 40, why there are not older members although some gangs are pretty old

Most gang members are under 35 because by that time they start having kids & they say the usual “I’m starting a family so I can’t be out doing stuff anymore for the sake of my son/daughter” so they just get a blessing from the gang shot caller to leave.