Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

[bronx]

AGREE BERT

[Angelo Santino]

There's a good documentary that covers Gravano's time in AZ, the local police had reports of Gravano bragging about his FBI connections as well as his belief that Motorola phones cannot be traced. As soon as the state police discovered who he was they purposely avoided alerting the FBI out of fear that they would help him.

[dack2001]

He did 20 years FED time. Do you think Sammy believes that was help? I guarantee you he doesn't and he wouldn't be giving an affidavit for Frank Locasio or doing a TV show if he still believed he had the feds help. 20 years in the federal system is getting hammered any way you look at it. They hung him out to dry and he knows it.

[bert]

He did 20 years FED time. Do you think Sammy believes that was help? I guarantee you he doesn't and he wouldn't be giving an affidavit for Frank Locasio or doing a TV show if he still believed he had the feds help. 20 years in the federal system is getting hammered any way you look at it. They hung him out to dry and he knows it.

I think it was explained above, they did help and ran out of the ability to do so when the Arizona case went public and their attempts to help fought by the state prosecutors.

[mafiastudent]

There are two snippets from Gravano's 2018 affidavit over in the Frank Locascio thread

[dack2001]

I saw you posted that Bert but you are missing my point. I'm saying that state prosecutors aren't stopping the FEDS. Here the state guys were going to file a case. May have tipped the feds hands into filing their own case but its very significant it was 20 years FED time he served. Now the state's attorney may have drawn publicity to the case and made it politically impossible for the Feds to help him, but that's a damn far cry from being UNABLE to help him. At the end of the day, I'm sure the agents who wanted to help were made to stand down while the justice department prosecuted him. Decisions to prosecute are made at the highest levels especially this one, and the state attorney generals authority is like a fart in the wind when it comes to the feds filing a case. If you don't think Sammy holds animus against the Feds for giving him 20 years when it could have been a glorified state case where he served 5-7 years...than we just have to disagree.

[bert]

I saw you posted that Bert but you are missing my point. I'm saying that state prosecutors aren't stopping the FEDS. Here the state guys were going to file a case. May have tipped the feds hands into filing their own case but its very significant it was 20 years FED time he served. Now the state's attorney may have drawn publicity to the case and made it politically impossible for the Feds to help him, but that's a damn far cry from being UNABLE to help him. At the end of the day, I'm sure the agents who wanted to help were made to stand down while the justice department prosecuted him. Decisions to prosecute are made at the highest levels especially this one, and the state attorney generals authority is like a fart in the wind when it comes to the feds filing a case. If you don't think Sammy holds animus against the Feds for giving him 20 years when it could have been a glorified state case where he served 5-7 years...than we just have to disagree.

I see your point Dack, and it's not that I disagree with you, I am going by what was said of the case back then. You are right about the feds usually getting what they want with the state prosectors. If what was reported was accurate, this was a rarity

It could be that they put the story out that they were fighting for Gravano, but behind the scenes were actually backing the state? I had not though of that. Now I'm wondering about it

[dack2001]

Yes, that's what probably happened but in a different order. Arizona cops broke the case. They may have even charged him for running an ecstasy ring under Arizona law as a state case but probably they were planning to charge him and the feds got wind of it. The Feds probably reached out to the local guys and tried to help Sammy, "my blue heaven" style. Locals showed Feds that the conspiracy stretched across the country and they were going to prosecute the whole group and make big headlines.

At state trial it would come out how the Feds sponsored Sammy and set him up in Arizona. NO ONE in the fed system wanted that exposed at trial. Sammy is too high profile and got too much help. I would bet one thousand dollars that at some point a decision was made with the US Justice Department that they had to cut Sammy loose. the only way to do so was charge him and his entire family with conspiracy under federal law and threaten him with throwing his kid and wife in fed prison for 20 years. His son and wife get probation in Arizona if it stays a state case. The Feds put the squeeze on Sammy, forced him to plead and that why he's doing what he can to get back at them. I'm sure he feels they screwed him.