Mancuso / Cammarano side

[slimshady_007]

I know this has been discussed before but who does mancuso have on his side that could Be considered hitters/enforcers.

Good question. Ernest Aiello and Johnny Spirito Jr could be considered enforcers since in 2011 they beat up Michael Meldish on Mancuso’s orders from prison. It’s also been confirmed by CW Petey bs that the Bronx crew were the ones that whacked Anthony Seccafico in 2009.

Yes, important to note that a good portion of the family’s “work” over the past 30 years have been committed by the Bronx wing of the family. What they lack in numbers they make up for in loyalty/dedication, it seems, whereas you could argue that crews like Ronnie G’s probably aren’t willing or able to take up arms for the crime family if it jeopardizes their bottom line.

I hope that makes sense. I’m not saying Ronnie G’s crew wasn’t violent, but they seem to be a money-making entity who wouldn’t be interested in the upper level family politics going on between Mancuso and Cammarano. At least, it doesn’t appear that Borrello was all too “up-to-date” with it.

According to Gene, he was the only guy in his crew that had the balls to use a gun. So you’re right about Ronnie G’s crew mainly being made up of earners, while the Bronx crew has more muscle.

Something else I noticed about Ernest Aiello is that he was made in 2009, the same year little Anthony was taken out. It wouldn’t too far fetched to suggest that maybe Aiello made his bones on that hit but who knows.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Something else I noticed about Ernest Aiello is that he was made in 2009, the same year little Anthony was taken out. It wouldn’t too far fetched to suggest that maybe Aiello made his bones on that hit but who knows.

Good pick up.
Seems to yours probably a little too obvious but a definite possibility.

[Griz23]

Isn’t Frank Salerno related to Mancuso through marriage? I have to think he is one of the close guys with Mancuso. Also can anyone explain to me who John Spirito is? I know he is close with Mancuso but don’t know much about him.

[Rocco]

Palazzolo is out now and is Mancuso’s acting boss.

I thought Mancuso was official boss...who is he acting boss for ? joe Massino ? lol

No, slim was right. I had this confused at first too...
Mancuso is the official, but on restrictions, so Palazzolo is his Acting, right?

You are correct ! Not sure why I read it that way. Maybe its the Corona ..

[gohnjotti]

Isn’t Frank Salerno related to Mancuso through marriage? I have to think he is one of the close guys with Mancuso. Also can anyone explain to me who John Spirito is? I know he is close with Mancuso but don’t know much about him.

Salerno was also Mancuso’s messenger for awhile, so they’re indeed close. John Spirito Jr. is the son of Bonanno soldier and hit man John Spirito Sr., who is due to be released from prison next year.

[Griz23]

Thanks i'll be interested to see what comes next in terms of the Bonnanos.

[B.]

The missing link in these discussions is always Salvatore Montagna. He was with the DeFilippo crew alongside Mancuso, then took over as acting boss when Mancuso went to prison. Mancuso emerges as official boss following Montagna's deportation (whether that was simply when it was confirmed or if he was elected earlier is unknown). We know in hindsight that Montagna was an aggressive mafia leader (both in politics and violence) and was more of a Queens / Brooklyn / Long Island figure even though he reported to a Bronx crew, but either way the Bronx crew appears to have maintained/solidified their power when Montagna was acting boss and that 2006-2009 period is when they would have started the initial rebuilding process.

Cicale said that Mancuso had more or less usurped the leadership following Basciano's incarceration and pushed the Basciano faction out, so it's likely that Montagna took over with Mancuso's blessing. New info on that period could easily change everything though the circumstantial info suggests that Montagna's three year run paved the way for Mancuso's official election as boss.

[johnny_scootch]

Whose the "Cammaranno side", does it even still exist?

It was Joe Cammarano, Porky Zancocchio, Joe Valet, Joe Grimaldi, his father Vito and all their guys. It seemed like a formidable alliance at one point but from the looks of it they've been completely destroyed.

[newera_212]

Whose the "Cammaranno side", does it even still exist?

It was Joe Cammarano, Porky Zancocchio, Joe Valet, Joe Grimaldi, his father Vito and all their guys. It seemed like a formidable alliance at one point but from the looks of it they've been completely destroyed.

which is crazy because all of them weren't johnny come latelys, most of them had pretty deep ties to the Bonnano family as a whole and were around it from birth. its crazy to think the Grimaldis got shelved just like that, and they dont have a little crew willing to go further for them. that alone says a lot

[Pete]

Isn’t Frank Salerno related to Mancuso through marriage? I have to think he is one of the close guys with Mancuso. Also can anyone explain to me who John Spirito is? I know he is close with Mancuso but don’t know much about him.

He has been referred to as mancuso nephew but there has nothing to back up he is actually his nephew

[Pete]

I always wondered the backstory here. Mancuso is away cammarano polls the captains and is voted in. With the support Of the captains how did mancuso maintain his hold? I know boss is the boss but you gotta have the muscle to back that up and the captains voted someone else

What it tells me is that they were playing a game with Cammaranno....

They went along with it, because to do otherwise would basically be a declaration, maybe not of war, but definitely open hostility.

Those guys were always gonna have to back that move up with violence. A stronger message would have been to hit Mancusos loyalist.... or at least, threaten to...

Kinda like, DeSantis? That's him right?

Mike DeSantis is in the Lucchese family.

My question is did Mancuso authorize that vote they held when Cammarano was elected boss/acting boss?? It’s possible Mancuso let the family decide after his last 2 choices got taken off the street. If Cammarano just gathered the captains and voted out his boss he broke the rules of Cosa Nostra and none of the other bosses would support that move once Mancuso was back on the street.

I know De Santis is a Luchesse...

I was speaking to the fact that on behalf of an imprisoned boss, he kinda threatened the guys running things in the streets, and they backed off....

That's why I said that, it's a different scenario, but maybe Cammaranno needed to do something along the lines of threatening Mancusos messengers to not ferry any messages, like Galante tried with Massino/ Rastelli.
Maybe threaten Mancuso loyalist, or hit one, I dunno.....

From everything I read desantis didn’t threaten anyone. Amuso sent a letter with the new pecking order and knowing how amuso handles things they went along with it. Nothing I read said they actually threatened anyone but the plan was if they didn’t fall in line they would start hitting people

De Santis reached out, because he didnt want the slots to go to Crea loyalist, I'm pretty sure, then Amuso sent the letter.... lol, of course they dont have to spell it out. If Crea had balked, or Madonna, what happens then? Who knows, but probably something bad....

My point being Cammaranno needed to do a little more than take a vote.. Its not the UN, right? lol

I mean, Gotti took a vote too, but there were armed gunmen in the room, plus he rigged the vote ahead of time, and he didnt bribe anyone to vote for him either..
And no, he didnt spell it out, but they knew what time it was.....


I might have taken us off track, lol... Whose the "Cammaranno side", does it even still exist?

According to Capeci dellarusso was the one who reached out to vics son in law. May not make a difference but that’s what he said

[SonnyBlackstein]

Whose the "Cammaranno side", does it even still exist?

It was Joe Cammarano, Porky Zancocchio, Joe Valet, Joe Grimaldi, his father Vito and all their guys. It seemed like a formidable alliance at one point but from the looks of it they've been completely destroyed.

which is crazy because all of them weren't johnny come latelys, most of them had pretty deep ties to the Bonnano family as a whole and were around it from birth. its crazy to think the Grimaldis got shelved just like that, and they dont have a little crew willing to go further for them. that alone says a lot

May not be finished yet. I doubt it’s as clean cut as the Grimaldi’s, porky, Cammarano etc get benched and it’s all settled and we never hear anything about this again.
Un. Likely.

[Pete]

Funny thing If desantis did his job and killed darco things could have been completely different. But maybe not they still had a lot on vic

[Pete]

I still can’t figure out the angle? Why hold a vote if you know it doesn’t matter and you will piss of the boss. Seems like there’s more here

[CabriniGreen]

The missing link in these discussions is always Salvatore Montagna. He was with the DeFilippo crew alongside Mancuso, then took over as acting boss when Mancuso went to prison. Mancuso emerges as official boss following Montagna's deportation (whether that was simply when it was confirmed or if he was elected earlier is unknown). We know in hindsight that Montagna was an aggressive mafia leader (both in politics and violence) and was more of a Queens / Brooklyn / Long Island figure even though he reported to a Bronx crew, but either way the Bronx crew appears to have maintained/solidified their power when Montagna was acting boss and that 2006-2009 period is when they would have started the initial rebuilding process.

Cicale said that Mancuso had more or less usurped the leadership following Basciano's incarceration and pushed the Basciano faction out, so it's likely that Montagna took over with Mancuso's blessing. New info on that period could easily change everything though the circumstantial info suggests that Montagna's three year run paved the way for Mancuso's official election as boss.

After he gets deported, who had NY, if not Montagna?
Did he use a proxy? Like, An acting for the Acting? Was that too much? That would have made Montagna, what exactly? A capo, with no crew?A Boss in exile? It's never been clear to me why he would have had to abdicate upon deportation, just pull a Chin and assign a Messagrio or whatever, right?


Borello said, Mancuso got the chair from Basciano, does
that mean Montagna acted on his behalf?

Or did he more or less do the same thing as Basciano and Mancuso, and do his own thing once he got the slot?

Was Mancuso in Bascianos crew? Or did he just pick another tough guy from the Bronx? It would seem the power flowed from Massino, to Basciano, to Mancuso.

Big question then, was Mancuso behind Montagnas moves?

Did anyone ask Borello about the Bonnanos Sicilian faction? Or if the NY guys interact with Montreal?
Maybe ask if Montreal answers to NY again?