Mancuso / Cammarano side

[johnny_scootch]

Ah, good stuff @gohnjotti...

Does he have a large contingent of Bronx loyalist? Or is his support more widespread within the boroughs?

I feel like hes somewhat misunderstood.... hes like Asaro right? Not a big racketeer, but a feared killer/ enforcer type, and yet, I'm not sure, does he have the charisma of a John Gotti?

Is he well liked? Or more so, widely respected?

He's based in Bensonhurst. I have no clue about whether he has support in wider boroughs. I haven't seen any evidence that he's a killer/enforcer, but he's owned and operated multiple businesses, and was involved in loansharking. I have no idea what sort of charisma he has, but the social club he runs is pretty famous, among Mafia observers.

Is he well-liked? I suppose so. He was acting boss. I haven't seen any evidence or tapes of people badmouthing him. To become acting boss means he's, by extension, well-respected, no? I don't know, I'm just inferring.

I'm pretty sure Cabrini was talking about Mancuso and Gohn is talking about Badalamenti. You guys got your wires crossed.

[gohnjotti]

Ah, good stuff @gohnjotti...

Does he have a large contingent of Bronx loyalist? Or is his support more widespread within the boroughs?

I feel like hes somewhat misunderstood.... hes like Asaro right? Not a big racketeer, but a feared killer/ enforcer type, and yet, I'm not sure, does he have the charisma of a John Gotti?

Is he well liked? Or more so, widely respected?

He's based in Bensonhurst. I have no clue about whether he has support in wider boroughs. I haven't seen any evidence that he's a killer/enforcer, but he's owned and operated multiple businesses, and was involved in loansharking. I have no idea what sort of charisma he has, but the social club he runs is pretty famous, among Mafia observers.

Is he well-liked? I suppose so. He was acting boss. I haven't seen any evidence or tapes of people badmouthing him. To become acting boss means he's, by extension, well-respected, no? I don't know, I'm just inferring.

I'm pretty sure Cabrini was talking about Mancuso and Gohn is talking about Badalamenti. You guys got your wires crossed.

Whoops. If you read the post directly above mine, you can see where the confusion started with me.

Mancuso... Does he have a large contingent of Bronx loyalists? I’m guessing so. He’s been inducting relatives and loyalists over the past decade, and quickly pushing them up the ranks (think Ernie Aiello, Frankie Salerno, John Spirito Jr., John Palazzolo, etc). I don’t think his support is widespread, given how easily Cammarano was able to take over with the support of captains across NYC. Of course, I could be wrong.

You’re correct on the feared killer/enforcer thing. I have no idea what sort of income he’s getting. I think he was involved in loansharking maybe, but it’s hard to find a mobster that isn’t. He didn’t really have enough time on the streets to build up any sort of racketeering empire. In the span of a decade he was released from prison, inducted, promoted to acting captain, promoted to acting boss, and then arrested again.

Is he charismatic, well-liked and well-respected? No clue. I’ve never met him. The guy came up as a Harlem heroin dealer and murdered his wife, so I can’t imagine him being the friendliest soul. He’s spent most of his adult life in prison, too. However, the same thing I said about Badalamenti applies to Mancuso: he was able to become the acting boss relatively young, and was able to order murders and run the family to some degree until his indictment. So, at least back then, he was clearly “well-respected” in the sense that his orders were followed.

I should also add that Mancuso was effectively able to control the family from behind bars, which could’ve simply continued after his 2004 arrest, or could’ve been fresh when Jerry reported it years later. Whatever the case, Mancuso had the ability to somehow assert his authority as the acting boss behind bars, which requires a very loyal following on the street. Incarcerated mobsters get fucked over all the time. It takes something - I’m not sure what - to be able to maintain an ear to the street and engage in family politics from a prison cell across the country. Even the legendary Carmine Persico had trouble doing so.

Remember, this is all speculation. If it comes out next week that Mancuso is the laughing stock of the Bonannos, I don’t want anybody to turn around and say “But Gohn said he was well-respected.” I’m using my offhand knowledge to make a snap judgement calls, and I’d love to hear other people’s POV based on their knowledge, since I don’t know as much about Mancuso as some other posters might. I strongly advise anyone looking into this to read JD’s blog. It breaks down the family politics of the 2010s using information straight from the mouths of multiple Bonanno members and associates.

[johnny_scootch]

JD also has 'Joe Bosch' as running the family along with Badalamenti. Lovaglio said it was Bosch who actually promoted him to Capo, so you'd have to imagine with Mancuso on the street now that 'Joe Bosch' is at least a Capo or even higher.

Are we sure that 'Joe Bosch' is the Giuseppe Bosco listed on the Bonanno chart?

[gohnjotti]

JD also has 'Joe Bosch' as running the family along with Badalamenti. Lovaglio said it was Bosch who actually promoted him to Capo, so you'd have to imagine with Mancuso on the street now that 'Joe Bosch' is at least a Capo or even higher.

Are we sure that 'Joe Bosch' is the Giuseppe Bosco listed on the Bonanno chart?

Could also be a butchered nickname for "Joe Box" or "Joe Boss" or "Joe Bash" or something. One thing I've learned about court transcripts is that you can't put too much stock in the exact spelling that's transcribed. If anybody recalls the Sal Vitale testimony I posted about the sit-down that closed the Colombo war, you'll see that almost every name he described was butchered in writing. And you can't even blame the transcriber, because these cooperating witnesses generally talk sloppy & fast with that thick NY accent.

[CabriniGreen]

What's JDs blog called?

[JohnnyS]

What's JDs blog called?

https://lcnbios.blogspot.com/

[don-shunter]

Could you assume that Vinny TV and Joe Bosch are on the administration and have replaced porky and Joe c? Along with Johnny skyway this would make up the bonanno admin with mancuso as official boss?

[Griz23]

Who is Joe Bosch?

[don-shunter]

Giuseppe Bosco a low key bonanno who Petey bs lovaglio said was running the family for mancuso alongside Vinny TV and Johnny skyway. At least from 2012 till 2015. But with Joe c and porky being shelved I would guess that those three guys are running things whether it's as a panel or as a traditional administrative structure (boss, underboss and consigliere).

[slimshady_007]

Giuseppe Bosco a low key bonanno who Petey bs lovaglio said was running the family for mancuso alongside Vinny TV and Johnny skyway. At least from 2012 till 2015. But with Joe c and porky being shelved I would guess that those three guys are running things whether it's as a panel or as a traditional administrative structure (boss, underboss and consigliere).

Anything known about Bosco? Like his age and crew affiliation?

[don-shunter]

I don't know about age but Pogo said he was made in 2003/04 and was probably in Louis deciccos crew.

[Pete]

I always wondered the backstory here. Mancuso is away cammarano polls the captains and is voted in. With the support Of the captains how did mancuso maintain his hold? I know boss is the boss but you gotta have the muscle to back that up and the captains voted someone else

[CabriniGreen]

I always wondered the backstory here. Mancuso is away cammarano polls the captains and is voted in. With the support Of the captains how did mancuso maintain his hold? I know boss is the boss but you gotta have the muscle to back that up and the captains voted someone else

What it tells me is that they were playing a game with Cammaranno....

They went along with it, because to do otherwise would basically be a declaration, maybe not of war, but definitely open hostility.

Those guys were always gonna have to back that move up with violence. A stronger message would have been to hit Mancusos loyalist.... or at least, threaten to...

Kinda like, DeSantis? That's him right?

[johnny_scootch]

I always wondered the backstory here. Mancuso is away cammarano polls the captains and is voted in. With the support Of the captains how did mancuso maintain his hold? I know boss is the boss but you gotta have the muscle to back that up and the captains voted someone else

What it tells me is that they were playing a game with Cammaranno....

They went along with it, because to do otherwise would basically be a declaration, maybe not of war, but definitely open hostility.

Those guys were always gonna have to back that move up with violence. A stronger message would have been to hit Mancusos loyalist.... or at least, threaten to...

Kinda like, DeSantis? That's him right?

Mike DeSantis is in the Lucchese family.

My question is did Mancuso authorize that vote they held when Cammarano was elected boss/acting boss?? It’s possible Mancuso let the family decide after his last 2 choices got taken off the street. If Cammarano just gathered the captains and voted out his boss he broke the rules of Cosa Nostra and none of the other bosses would support that move once Mancuso was back on the street.

[CabriniGreen]

I always wondered the backstory here. Mancuso is away cammarano polls the captains and is voted in. With the support Of the captains how did mancuso maintain his hold? I know boss is the boss but you gotta have the muscle to back that up and the captains voted someone else

What it tells me is that they were playing a game with Cammaranno....

They went along with it, because to do otherwise would basically be a declaration, maybe not of war, but definitely open hostility.

Those guys were always gonna have to back that move up with violence. A stronger message would have been to hit Mancusos loyalist.... or at least, threaten to...

Kinda like, DeSantis? That's him right?

Mike DeSantis is in the Lucchese family.

My question is did Mancuso authorize that vote they held when Cammarano was elected boss/acting boss?? It’s possible Mancuso let the family decide after his last 2 choices got taken off the street. If Cammarano just gathered the captains and voted out his boss he broke the rules of Cosa Nostra and none of the other bosses would support that move once Mancuso was back on the street.

I know De Santis is a Luchesse...

I was speaking to the fact that on behalf of an imprisoned boss, he kinda threatened the guys running things in the streets, and they backed off....

That's why I said that, it's a different scenario, but maybe Cammaranno needed to do something along the lines of threatening Mancusos messengers to not ferry any messages, like Galante tried with Massino/ Rastelli.
Maybe threaten Mancuso loyalist, or hit one, I dunno.....