Mancuso / Cammarano side

[CabriniGreen]

Also, I dont think he authorized a vote, it undermines his power. He could as the Boss, appoint whomever he wanted, IF hes really in charge. The most dramatic example is of course DeLeo from the Colombos

[CabriniGreen]

Or even better, instead of bribing all the Capos with no interest loans, maybe bribe Mancusos guys specifically, try to separate him from his lines of communication to the streets.

We gotta remember, he supposedly shelved them for a trial strategy.... I'm thinking maybe he knew these guys were behind it, and wasnt worried about the other capos really planning a coup attempt.

What did Massino say? That he robbed the family from Basciano, like Basciano did to Massino....

[AntComello]

Going off of what Gene Borello said and other info that’s out there it seems that Mancuso is a truly feared guy and that once he got out everyone fell in line. He must be a serious dude to be that feared.

[AntComello]

I know this has been discussed before but who does mancuso have on his side that could Be considered hitters/enforcers.

[Rocco]

Palazzolo is out now and is Mancuso’s acting boss.

I thought Mancuso was official boss...who is he acting boss for ? joe Massino ? lol

[CabriniGreen]

Palazzolo is out now and is Mancuso’s acting boss.

I thought Mancuso was official boss...who is he acting boss for ? joe Massino ? lol

No, slim was right. I had this confused at first too...
Mancuso is the official, but on restrictions, so Palazzolo is his Acting, right?

[slimshady_007]

Palazzolo is out now and is Mancuso’s acting boss.

I thought Mancuso was official boss...who is he acting boss for ? joe Massino ? lol

No, slim was right. I had this confused at first too...
Mancuso is the official, but on restrictions, so Palazzolo is his Acting, right?

Exactly. And there’s also the panel to help Palazzolo run the family.

[slimshady_007]

I know this has been discussed before but who does mancuso have on his side that could Be considered hitters/enforcers.

Good question. Ernest Aiello and Johnny Spirito Jr could be considered enforcers since in 2011 they beat up Michael Meldish on Mancuso’s orders from prison. It’s also been confirmed by CW Petey bs that the Bronx crew were the ones that whacked Anthony Seccafico in 2009.

[Pete]

I always wondered the backstory here. Mancuso is away cammarano polls the captains and is voted in. With the support Of the captains how did mancuso maintain his hold? I know boss is the boss but you gotta have the muscle to back that up and the captains voted someone else

What it tells me is that they were playing a game with Cammaranno....

They went along with it, because to do otherwise would basically be a declaration, maybe not of war, but definitely open hostility.

Those guys were always gonna have to back that move up with violence. A stronger message would have been to hit Mancusos loyalist.... or at least, threaten to...

Kinda like, DeSantis? That's him right?

Mike DeSantis is in the Lucchese family.

My question is did Mancuso authorize that vote they held when Cammarano was elected boss/acting boss?? It’s possible Mancuso let the family decide after his last 2 choices got taken off the street. If Cammarano just gathered the captains and voted out his boss he broke the rules of Cosa Nostra and none of the other bosses would support that move once Mancuso was back on the street.

I know De Santis is a Luchesse...

I was speaking to the fact that on behalf of an imprisoned boss, he kinda threatened the guys running things in the streets, and they backed off....

That's why I said that, it's a different scenario, but maybe Cammaranno needed to do something along the lines of threatening Mancusos messengers to not ferry any messages, like Galante tried with Massino/ Rastelli.
Maybe threaten Mancuso loyalist, or hit one, I dunno.....

From everything I read desantis didn’t threaten anyone. Amuso sent a letter with the new pecking order and knowing how amuso handles things they went along with it. Nothing I read said they actually threatened anyone but the plan was if they didn’t fall in line they would start hitting people

[johnny_scootch]

Palazzolo is out now and is Mancuso’s acting boss.

I thought Mancuso was official boss...who is he acting boss for ? joe Massino ? lol

No, slim was right. I had this confused at first too...
Mancuso is the official, but on restrictions, so Palazzolo is his Acting, right?

Exactly. And there’s also the panel to help Palazzolo run the family.

Is it confirmed there is a panel? Seems ridiculous to me that a Boss who's not in prison needs an acting boss AND a panel to help him run the family, not to mention the underboss and consigliere. I know the guy is on restrictions but it seems like overkill. At this point I'm just waiting to hear that he has 2 counselors emeritus helping guide his decisions.

[gohnjotti]

I know this has been discussed before but who does mancuso have on his side that could Be considered hitters/enforcers.

Good question. Ernest Aiello and Johnny Spirito Jr could be considered enforcers since in 2011 they beat up Michael Meldish on Mancuso’s orders from prison. It’s also been confirmed by CW Petey bs that the Bronx crew were the ones that whacked Anthony Seccafico in 2009.

Yes, important to note that a good portion of the family’s “work” over the past 30 years have been committed by the Bronx wing of the family. What they lack in numbers they make up for in loyalty/dedication, it seems, whereas you could argue that crews like Ronnie G’s probably aren’t willing or able to take up arms for the crime family if it jeopardizes their bottom line.

I hope that makes sense. I’m not saying Ronnie G’s crew wasn’t violent, but they seem to be a money-making entity who wouldn’t be interested in the upper level family politics going on between Mancuso and Cammarano. At least, it doesn’t appear that Borrello was all too “up-to-date” with it.

[chin_gigante]

Palazzolo is out now and is Mancuso’s acting boss.

I thought Mancuso was official boss...who is he acting boss for ? joe Massino ? lol

No, slim was right. I had this confused at first too...
Mancuso is the official, but on restrictions, so Palazzolo is his Acting, right?

Exactly. And there’s also the panel to help Palazzolo run the family.

Is it confirmed there is a panel? Seems ridiculous to me that a Boss who's not in prison needs an acting boss AND a panel to help him run the family, not to mention the underboss and consigliere. I know the guy is on restrictions but it seems like overkill. At this point I'm just waiting to hear that he has 2 counselors emeritus helping guide his decisions.

When Capeci described the new Bonanno hierarchy he made no mention of anyone holding the underboss or consigliere positions, so I think it's possible that (like the Genovese family after Gigante's imprisonment) the panel is in place of appointing a new underboss and consigliere. Given that Mancuso is on parole restrictions it's reasonable that he would want buffer in the form of an acting boss to run the day-to-day and, given that Palazzolo is in his 80s, it's not unreasonable for him to be assisted by a panel.

[SonnyBlackstein]

When Capeci described the new Bonanno hierarchy he made no mention of anyone holding the underboss or consigliere positions, so I think it's possible that (like the Genovese family after Gigante's imprisonment) the panel is in place of appointing a new underboss and consigliere. Given that Mancuso is on parole restrictions it's reasonable that he would want buffer in the form of an acting boss to run the day-to-day and, given that Palazzolo is in his 80s, it's not unreasonable for him to be assisted by a panel.

Agree. Good post.

[CabriniGreen]

I always wondered the backstory here. Mancuso is away cammarano polls the captains and is voted in. With the support Of the captains how did mancuso maintain his hold? I know boss is the boss but you gotta have the muscle to back that up and the captains voted someone else

What it tells me is that they were playing a game with Cammaranno....

They went along with it, because to do otherwise would basically be a declaration, maybe not of war, but definitely open hostility.

Those guys were always gonna have to back that move up with violence. A stronger message would have been to hit Mancusos loyalist.... or at least, threaten to...

Kinda like, DeSantis? That's him right?

Mike DeSantis is in the Lucchese family.

My question is did Mancuso authorize that vote they held when Cammarano was elected boss/acting boss?? It’s possible Mancuso let the family decide after his last 2 choices got taken off the street. If Cammarano just gathered the captains and voted out his boss he broke the rules of Cosa Nostra and none of the other bosses would support that move once Mancuso was back on the street.

I know De Santis is a Luchesse...

I was speaking to the fact that on behalf of an imprisoned boss, he kinda threatened the guys running things in the streets, and they backed off....

That's why I said that, it's a different scenario, but maybe Cammaranno needed to do something along the lines of threatening Mancusos messengers to not ferry any messages, like Galante tried with Massino/ Rastelli.
Maybe threaten Mancuso loyalist, or hit one, I dunno.....

From everything I read desantis didn’t threaten anyone. Amuso sent a letter with the new pecking order and knowing how amuso handles things they went along with it. Nothing I read said they actually threatened anyone but the plan was if they didn’t fall in line they would start hitting people

De Santis reached out, because he didnt want the slots to go to Crea loyalist, I'm pretty sure, then Amuso sent the letter.... lol, of course they dont have to spell it out. If Crea had balked, or Madonna, what happens then? Who knows, but probably something bad....

My point being Cammaranno needed to do a little more than take a vote.. Its not the UN, right? lol

I mean, Gotti took a vote too, but there were armed gunmen in the room, plus he rigged the vote ahead of time, and he didnt bribe anyone to vote for him either..
And no, he didnt spell it out, but they knew what time it was.....


I might have taken us off track, lol... Whose the "Cammaranno side", does it even still exist?

[CabriniGreen]

I know this has been discussed before but who does mancuso have on his side that could Be considered hitters/enforcers.

Good question. Ernest Aiello and Johnny Spirito Jr could be considered enforcers since in 2011 they beat up Michael Meldish on Mancuso’s orders from prison. It’s also been confirmed by CW Petey bs that the Bronx crew were the ones that whacked Anthony Seccafico in 2009.

Yes, important to note that a good portion of the family’s “work” over the past 30 years have been committed by the Bronx wing of the family. What they lack in numbers they make up for in loyalty/dedication, it seems, whereas you could argue that crews like Ronnie G’s probably aren’t willing or able to take up arms for the crime family if it jeopardizes their bottom line.

I hope that makes sense. I’m not saying Ronnie G’s crew wasn’t violent, but they seem to be a money-making entity who wouldn’t be interested in the upper level family politics going on between Mancuso and Cammarano. At least, it doesn’t appear that Borrello was all too “up-to-date” with it.

Yes, this is a good take on it I think...