DiCarlo / Pieri -- Youngstown affiliation?

[B.]

Does anyone know if Joseph DiCarlo, Joseph Pieri, and other members of that faction transferred their membership from Buffalo to Cleveland or Pittsburgh while they were living in Youngstown?

In a taped conversation between Stefano Magaddino, Fred Randaccio, and Sam Pieri, Pieri tells Magaddino about a business opportunity his brother Joseph in Youngstown wants to get involved in and brings it up to make sure it doesn't step on Buffalo's toes. Randaccio says they can do whatever they want in Youngstown as long as they don't come to Buffalo and infringe on anything there.

Magaddino then tells Sam that he doesn't "give a damn" what Joseph Pieri does, but Joseph Pieri must get approval from "his own rapparesentante" (boss) when he does something in Youngstown. Sam Pieri says that Joseph knows this, but apparently wanted to make sure he wasn't stepping on any toes because of a past issue in Buffalo where the Pieris were caught up in something DiCarlo had instigated. In contrast, Magaddino says that Sam Pieri must get approval from Magaddino before he does anything.

The conversation clearly suggests Joseph Pieri belonged to another "rappresentante" in Youngstown, not Magaddino/Buffalo, which would be a sign that Joe DiCarlo and others may have as well. Years later, we know Pieri would end up back in the Buffalo family and become consigliere. Has anyone come across anything about this?

[Stroccos]

Does anyone know if Joseph DiCarlo, Joseph Pieri, and other members of that faction transferred their membership from Buffalo to Cleveland or Pittsburgh while they were living in Youngstown?

In a taped conversation between Stefano Magaddino, Fred Randaccio, and Sam Pieri, Pieri tells Magaddino about a business opportunity his brother Joseph in Youngstown wants to get involved in and brings it up to make sure it doesn't step on Buffalo's toes. Randaccio says they can do whatever they want in Youngstown as long as they don't come to Buffalo and infringe on anything there.

Magaddino then tells Sam that he doesn't "give a damn" what Joseph Pieri does, but Joseph Pieri must get approval from "his own rapparesentante" (boss) when he does something in Youngstown. Sam Pieri says that Joseph knows this, but apparently wanted to make sure he wasn't stepping on any toes because of a past issue in Buffalo where the Pieris were caught up in something DiCarlo had instigated. In contrast, Magaddino says that Sam Pieri must get approval from Magaddino before he does anything.

The conversation clearly suggests Joseph Pieri belonged to another "rappresentante" in Youngstown, not Magaddino/Buffalo, which would be a sign that Joe DiCarlo and others may have as well. Years later, we know Pieri would end up back in the Buffalo family and become consigliere. Has anyone come across anything about this?

What year was the conversation ?
I read that on mf before but it seemed more of someone’s recalling the conversion then a wire tap

I have a old a chart that had some people all reporting to Pete Licavoli

[B.]

Does anyone know if Joseph DiCarlo, Joseph Pieri, and other members of that faction transferred their membership from Buffalo to Cleveland or Pittsburgh while they were living in Youngstown?

In a taped conversation between Stefano Magaddino, Fred Randaccio, and Sam Pieri, Pieri tells Magaddino about a business opportunity his brother Joseph in Youngstown wants to get involved in and brings it up to make sure it doesn't step on Buffalo's toes. Randaccio says they can do whatever they want in Youngstown as long as they don't come to Buffalo and infringe on anything there.

Magaddino then tells Sam that he doesn't "give a damn" what Joseph Pieri does, but Joseph Pieri must get approval from "his own rapparesentante" (boss) when he does something in Youngstown. Sam Pieri says that Joseph knows this, but apparently wanted to make sure he wasn't stepping on any toes because of a past issue in Buffalo where the Pieris were caught up in something DiCarlo had instigated. In contrast, Magaddino says that Sam Pieri must get approval from Magaddino before he does anything.

The conversation clearly suggests Joseph Pieri belonged to another "rappresentante" in Youngstown, not Magaddino/Buffalo, which would be a sign that Joe DiCarlo and others may have as well. Years later, we know Pieri would end up back in the Buffalo family and become consigliere. Has anyone come across anything about this?

What year was the conversation ?
I read that on mf before but it seemed more of someone’s recalling the conversion then a wire tap

I have a old a chart that had some people all reporting to Pete Licavoli

This was 1963. You may have seen the FBI summary, though this was the actual transcript of the recording. Here is where he mentions Joe Pieri having "his own rapparesentante" he must get permission from:



You might be onto something with Pete Licavoli. Sam Pieri says when he got out of prison, he requested underboss Fred Randaccio's permission to go visit his brother Joseph in Youngstown. After receiving permission, Pieri was told to go to Detroit and deliver a message to "Pete" during this trip, possibly before he visited his brother. Pieri says he didn't expect to have to deliver a message to Detroit when he went to visit his brother, which prompts Magaddino to explain the problems going on in Youngstown at that time. It sounds like Randaccio asked Sam Pieri to check in with "Pete" in Detroit before he traveled to Youngstown because of how volatile the situation was there.

Looks like Joseph Pieri (and presumably Joe DiCarlo) may have transferred membership to Detroit while living in Youngstown. That would explain why they had a different rappresentante and also why Randaccio instructed Sam Pieri to check in with "Pete" in Detroit before meeting up with his brother in Youngstown.

[Stroccos]

Does anyone know if Joseph DiCarlo, Joseph Pieri, and other members of that faction transferred their membership from Buffalo to Cleveland or Pittsburgh while they were living in Youngstown?

In a taped conversation between Stefano Magaddino, Fred Randaccio, and Sam Pieri, Pieri tells Magaddino about a business opportunity his brother Joseph in Youngstown wants to get involved in and brings it up to make sure it doesn't step on Buffalo's toes. Randaccio says they can do whatever they want in Youngstown as long as they don't come to Buffalo and infringe on anything there.

Magaddino then tells Sam that he doesn't "give a damn" what Joseph Pieri does, but Joseph Pieri must get approval from "his own rapparesentante" (boss) when he does something in Youngstown. Sam Pieri says that Joseph knows this, but apparently wanted to make sure he wasn't stepping on any toes because of a past issue in Buffalo where the Pieris were caught up in something DiCarlo had instigated. In contrast, Magaddino says that Sam Pieri must get approval from Magaddino before he does anything.

The conversation clearly suggests Joseph Pieri belonged to another "rappresentante" in Youngstown, not Magaddino/Buffalo, which would be a sign that Joe DiCarlo and others may have as well. Years later, we know Pieri would end up back in the Buffalo family and become consigliere. Has anyone come across anything about this?

What year was the conversation ?
I read that on mf before but it seemed more of someone’s recalling the conversion then a wire tap

I have a old a chart that had some people all reporting to Pete Licavoli

This was 1963. You may have seen the FBI summary, though this was the actual transcript of the recording. Here is where he mentions Joe Pieri having "his own rapparesentante" he must get permission from:



You might be onto something with Pete Licavoli. Sam Pieri says when he got out of prison, he requested underboss Fred Randaccio's permission to go visit his brother Joseph in Youngstown. After receiving permission, Pieri was told to go to Detroit and deliver a message to "Pete" during this trip, possibly before he visited his brother. Pieri says he didn't expect to have to deliver a message to Detroit when he went to visit his brother, which prompts Magaddino to explain the problems going on in Youngstown at that time. It sounds like Randaccio asked Sam Pieri to check in with "Pete" in Detroit before he traveled to Youngstown because of how volatile the situation was there.

Looks like Joseph Pieri (and presumably Joe DiCarlo) may have transferred membership to Detroit while living in Youngstown. That would explain why they had a different rappresentante and also why Randaccio instructed Sam Pieri to check in with "Pete" in Detroit before meeting up with his brother in Youngstown.

well buffalo reaches out to Detroit ( peter licavoli ?) to see whats going on in Youngstown after the war that has been going on, as Detroit had some interests there as well
now that I found my notes
Joe pieri has been listed as being with the Cleveland crew in Youngstown reporting to Jack licavoli and being associated with Tony delsanter
Joe pieri was busted with Ron carrabias crew in 1964 in Youngstown ,

I remeber leaving Joe Pieri off the 1965 Cleveland chart we made because i couldnt confirm he was actually with Cleveland , I figured he was just working in Youngstown handling some of decarlos interests while he was in jail. but with that wiretap its almost certsain he was either with Detroit or Cleveland


from what I understand after the bombing war the city was divided into four shares regarding vending and gambling machine rackets ,
1. Ron carabbia 25 percent ( Cleveland backed )

2. Vincent prato 25 percent ( Pittsburgh backed )

3. Cleveland family 25 percent

4. Pittsburgh family 25 percent

[B.]

I saw Pieri on the list of Youngstown mafia members said to report to Jack Licavoli, but some Pittsburgh-Youngstown guys were also included on the same list and the source(s) seemed to lump all of the Sicilian guys in Youngstown into the same group. It said they all reported to Joe DiCarlo in the 1940s before he went to prison. This all seems to be based more on association than affiliation.

This all came up because I'm interested in the roots of Buffalo's different factions... I've always seen the DiCarlo-Pieris referred to as Buffalo members operating in Youngstown, though it def look like they transferred to another family.

Thanks for the help, Stroccos.

[IrishDave]

Didn't one of the Naples brothers work for Buffalo?

[Stroccos]

I saw Pieri on the list of Youngstown mafia members said to report to Jack Licavoli, but some Pittsburgh-Youngstown guys were also included on the same list and the source(s) seemed to lump all of the Sicilian guys in Youngstown into the same group. It said they all reported to Joe DiCarlo in the 1940s before he went to prison. This all seems to be based more on association than affiliation.

This all came up because I'm interested in the roots of Buffalo's different factions... I've always seen the DiCarlo-Pieris referred to as Buffalo members operating in Youngstown, though it def look like they transferred to another family.

Thanks for the help, Stroccos.

Was joe Pieri for sure made in 1963 ?

[B.]

I saw Pieri on the list of Youngstown mafia members said to report to Jack Licavoli, but some Pittsburgh-Youngstown guys were also included on the same list and the source(s) seemed to lump all of the Sicilian guys in Youngstown into the same group. It said they all reported to Joe DiCarlo in the 1940s before he went to prison. This all seems to be based more on association than affiliation.

This all came up because I'm interested in the roots of Buffalo's different factions... I've always seen the DiCarlo-Pieris referred to as Buffalo members operating in Youngstown, though it def look like they transferred to another family.

Thanks for the help, Stroccos.

Was joe Pieri for sure made in 1963 ?

You know, I'm not sure. He's included as a member on some FBI lists by that time but I haven't seen a direct source say "Joseph Pieri is an LCN member."

[Stroccos]

I saw Pieri on the list of Youngstown mafia members said to report to Jack Licavoli, but some Pittsburgh-Youngstown guys were also included on the same list and the source(s) seemed to lump all of the Sicilian guys in Youngstown into the same group. It said they all reported to Joe DiCarlo in the 1940s before he went to prison. This all seems to be based more on association than affiliation.

This all came up because I'm interested in the roots of Buffalo's different factions... I've always seen the DiCarlo-Pieris referred to as Buffalo members operating in Youngstown, though it def look like they transferred to another family.

Thanks for the help, Stroccos.

Was joe Pieri for sure made in 1963 ?

You know, I'm not sure. He's included as a member on some FBI lists by that time but I haven't seen a direct source say "Joseph Pieri is an LCN member."

i had the same conclusion about people be grouped by assoication ,
B, was Joseph Pieri living in Youngstown when DeCarlo was there ?

[JCB1977]

Didn't one of the Naples brothers work for Buffalo?

It was reported that Sandy Naples was Buffalo but he was definitely Pittsburgh

[B.]

Youngstown is described in some reports as part of Buffalo's territory alongside Buffalo/NF, Rochester, Utica, Erie, and Ontario, but the Pieri conversation made it sound like Magaddino either didn't want to or couldn't exercise much authority there. I'd be curious if Buffalo had representation there outside of the DiCarlo-Pieri group, because it's looking like that group reported to a different family.

[Angelo Santino]

Youngstown is described in some reports as part of Buffalo's territory alongside Buffalo/NF, Rochester, Utica, Erie, and Ontario, but the Pieri conversation made it sound like Magaddino either didn't want to or couldn't exercise much authority there. I'd be curious if Buffalo had representation there outside of the DiCarlo-Pieri group, because it's looking like that group reported to a different family.

Cleveland? Doubt it would be Pittsburgh.

[Stroccos]

Youngstown is described in some reports as part of Buffalo's territory alongside Buffalo/NF, Rochester, Utica, Erie, and Ontario, but the Pieri conversation made it sound like Magaddino either didn't want to or couldn't exercise much authority there. I'd be curious if Buffalo had representation there outside of the DiCarlo-Pieri group, because it's looking like that group reported to a different family.

Cleveland? Doubt it would be Pittsburgh.

either celveland or detroit

[B.]

I am leaning toward Detroit, as Sam Pieri was ordered by his underboss to check in with "Pete" (Licavoli?) in Detroit before meeting up with Joe Pieri in Youngstown. Pieri seemed put off by this, but the Buffalo leaders explained that the extra protocol was because of the conflict in Youngstown. Stroccos' comment earlier made me do a second take and Detroit looks like a good bet.

[Antiliar]

You guys saw these, right?
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 20licavoli

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 20licavoli

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 20licavoli

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 20licavoli

A lot of unredacted info in this one, mostly on Cleveland but a little on Youngstown:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 2&tab=page