Relations between the Mafias

[CabriniGreen]

Sorry, I thought I cut all the excess from the article.... it's the only thing that sucks about posting them...

[CabriniGreen]

Another pretty interesting occurrence...

https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2019/0 ... i/5297072/

[CabriniGreen]

Palermo, the pact between 'ndrangheta and Cosa Nostra on cocaine: this is how Luisi (who escaped arrest) was credited with the Calabrians

The connections between the district of Brancaccio and the Barbaro of Platì: the investigators have traced at least three trips across the Strait, aboard an Audi A1 full of bugs.

Pietro Luisi succeeded this morning to escape the blitz of the Flying Squad. It was he who acted as intermediary after Di Marzo (arrested): "We must agree with all things and I must agree with the trust"

by Marco Bova | 2 JULY 2019

"Now that you introduced them to me, I come, I know what people I am." The speaker was Peter Luisi , one of the most faithful of the district of Brancaccio , who had been reserved for the "privilege" of being credited with traffickers of cocaine from Calabria .

For the investigating judge "he had certainly achieved a high hierarchical role , if only he considered that he could afford to relate directly with the Calabrian traffickers and buy huge quantities of substance".

But when the squad officers went to arrest him this morning as part of the Maredolce 2 blitz, they didn't find him at home. Immediately the searches started, as well as two years ago when he was arrested two days after the Double Track operation he had escaped.

The cocaine was traveling from Calabria to Palermo and the heirs of Gravano (arrested in Milan in 1994) could not stay dry.

For this the current headmaster of Corso dei Mille, Luigi Scimò , known as Fabio (among those arrested in the blitz) had reactivated the canals inherited from the boss Giuseppe Guttadauro (of which he was right-hand man, ed ) and by the drug dealer Salvatore Miceli .

The link with the two men of the fugitive Matteo Messina Denaro was revealed by the Igres survey (in which Scimò was also investigated) that in 2003 documented the agreement between Cosa Nostra families(the Agates of Mazara del Vallo), 'ndrangheta (the Marando of Platì) and the Colombian narcos to bring cocaine to Europe from Latin America.

Scimò is an old face of Cosa Nostra, condemned in 2007 with a final sentence of 14 years . In 2017 - after the arrest of Pietro Tagliavia - he had inherited the regency of the mafia family and made available the contacts that connect Sicily to Calabria, first through his son-in-law Pietro Di Marzo (also arrested him) and then through Pietro Luisi, now sought after. Investigators have traced at least three trips across the Straits, aboard an Audi A1 full of bugs: December 1, 2016, February 3 and 5, 2017.

On the occasion of the first trip, Di Marzo (who traveled with Pasquale Militerrlo , a trustworthy man of Scimò, ed ) was intercepted while ordering two cassatas to take on a trip and reminded "his wife to ask her father for money tomorrow" .

Only in the second is the presence of Luisi permitted, who then returned alone the following February 5th. In both cases, the goal was to meet the 'Ndranghetist family of the Barbaro di Platì (Reggio Calabria): Pasquale, the father Giuseppe but above all Francesco Barbaro , multi-judged for drug crimes. Their home was safe. "Do you know why?", Said Di Marzo to Luisi: "It's quiet because there is always someoneinside his house , no one can come in and put ... he says: 'but always, they searched me ' ".


According to the investigations, the Palermo had "given money to the Calabrian traffickers who were supposed to deliver the drug to those of the Bandita" (an area of ​​Brancaccio) but after the arrest of some of them "the money invested had been lost " and the Palermo they boasted "a credit to the Calabrians".

"How did the money of the Bandita get stuck?" Asked Luisi. In March he replied: "They invented money, work ... when we gave them the money, after two days they all arrested them ".

Back in the car from Calabria, the two commented on the second of the meetings. "First of all I have to agree with the price - said Pietro Luisi to the partner - we have to agree with all things and I have to agree with the trust ".

The wanted person is Salvatore Luisi's brother who in 2010 was arrested for mafia and drugs in an investigation on the connections between the Sicilian thing and the New York one.

"In Milan we were there twenty hours, I took the car, then the money was earned with buckets," said Pietro, who as an expert stated that "somebody thinks traffic is easy". In a face to face with the Barbarians he said he was willing to put up a market square in the neighborhoods of Palermo. From today, however, his escape has begun again .

[Bklyn21]

they are one and the same since the beginning, before italy unification when sicily, calabria and naples where the two sicilies kingdom under the bourbons, cosa nostra/ndrangheta/camorra are just regional nicknames

I thought it was Just Cosa Nostra and Ndrangheta that are one and the same group with The Cammorra and SCU being totally separate and operating in a totally different manner then LCN Ndrangheta. The Cammorra has no pyramidal structure and no mandamenti , No dome , No cupola, No boss or Commission ! The Cammorra is Like a bunch of gangs , Just clans with a BOSS who are constantly battling each other .

the real camorra are not the juvenile gangs but the casalesi, the contini-licciardi, the polverino-nuvoletta etc. the scu is also the same thing, it changes the name but just a regional one, there are several informants who said they are all the same thing

Ok . But aren't there no Overall dome ? Or Commission ? Where one boss or a few bosses or clans are at the top and hand down commands to the rest of the clans through regional mandamenti ? I heard they do all come and work together alot but unlike Cosa Nostra and Ndrangheta which are one and the same and have lower to higher ranking members and bosses who belong to both groups. And unlike the Neapolitans the Calabrians and Sicilians are mostly of the same origin and background / They are the same people . It was said long ago Sicilians/Cosa Nostra who were sent or banished from Sicily set up in Reggio Calabria and eventually formed the Ndrangheta . So all the Mafias are one whole ?

[CabriniGreen]

You gotta understand..... if you followed my earlier threads, like on Leandro Greco... there really isnt a Commision in Sicily right now either..

Every time they meet, they walk into police.... the cops are all over them, they are like NY, they arnt even committing murders right now... it's too hot...

[CabriniGreen]

Same with NY, when's the last confirmed Commision meeting? Probably Massino era... not sure about a meeting after his time on top.

The organizations are separate, but share basically the same ideologies and methodologies, culture, language, I mean they basically ARE the same, just from different parts of Italy....

[scagghiuni]

they are one and the same since the beginning, before italy unification when sicily, calabria and naples where the two sicilies kingdom under the bourbons, cosa nostra/ndrangheta/camorra are just regional nicknames

I thought it was Just Cosa Nostra and Ndrangheta that are one and the same group with The Cammorra and SCU being totally separate and operating in a totally different manner then LCN Ndrangheta. The Cammorra has no pyramidal structure and no mandamenti , No dome , No cupola, No boss or Commission ! The Cammorra is Like a bunch of gangs , Just clans with a BOSS who are constantly battling each other .

the real camorra are not the juvenile gangs but the casalesi, the contini-licciardi, the polverino-nuvoletta etc. the scu is also the same thing, it changes the name but just a regional one, there are several informants who said they are all the same thing

Ok . But aren't there no Overall dome ? Or Commission ? Where one boss or a few bosses or clans are at the top and hand down commands to the rest of the clans through regional mandamenti ? I heard they do all come and work together alot but unlike Cosa Nostra and Ndrangheta which are one and the same and have lower to higher ranking members and bosses who belong to both groups. And unlike the Neapolitans the Calabrians and Sicilians are mostly of the same origin and background / They are the same people . It was said long ago Sicilians/Cosa Nostra who were sent or banished from Sicily set up in Reggio Calabria and eventually formed the Ndrangheta . So all the Mafias are one whole ?

no, they have not a commission like sicilian mafia or a 'camera di controllo' like the ndrangheta, the camorra had in 1800 when it was pyramidal and hierarchical but that structure was dismantled in the early 1900s... raffaele cutolo proofed to reform it in the 70s but he failed
anyway ndrangheta copied the old camorra structure in prison, it's a sort of old camorra branch formed in the late 1800s

[CabriniGreen]

https://www.bresciaoggi.it/territori/ma ... -1.7166202

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Mafie, the map
of
Brescia infiltrations
Mafie, the map of Brescia infiltrations
Mafie, the map of Brescia infiltrations
Cinzia Reboni . 03/05/2019


Cinzia Reboni There are at least 22 families of Italian organized crime with more or less organic ties and rooted with the Bresciano.

The sphere of influence of the mafia, 'ndrangheta camorra and, to a lesser extent, the Sacred Crown united, touches fifteen countries of the province, but 5 others are supervised special because they host suspicious activities, that is managed by presumed bosses.

This is what emerges from the intersection between the research data of the Crime-Observatory and the report of the Parliamentary Commission on the phenomenon of mafias and other criminal associations, including those of foreign origin.

The two reports explore - based on the Dia's investigations and processes - the evolution of the phenomenon from 2017 to the last months of 2018. In Lombardy the province of Brescia is the only one - with that of Milan - where the presence of all four Made in Italy mafia-type criminal organizations has been proven to be more or less rarefied.

This is one of the most disturbing aspects, which confirms how the recent seizure of assets for 15 million to the entrepreneur Rosario Marchese di Lonato - considered by Dia contiguous to the Mafioso group Rinzivillo - is nothing but the tip of an iceberg, or rather of the dome.

However, according to the reports of Cross and the Commission, Brescia is not a land for the conquest of clans, but a place for the investment of capital, the fruit of the profits of illicit activities managed in Italy and abroad. In essence, mafia organizations tend to keep away from prostitution, usury, drug trafficking and extortion so as not to compromise apparently legal businesses such as shops, businesses and nightclubs, open to make their assets bear fruit.

To use a financial metaphor, Brescia is one of the "safes" of the clans, the dirty money washing machine. If they are really forced to intervene, the clans use modern tools so to speak, in line with the social era: defamatory dossiers in place of incendiary attacks, retaliatory lawsuits instead of ambushes.

IN BRESCIANO in short the mafia has evolved using even the democratic tools in a distorted way. To manage his business through infiltrations in the productive-financial fabric he no longer relies on violence, but on subtle forms of persuasion: instead of showing blood, he fears it to obtain the same result, or subjection and omerta.

The threats are almost never explicit, but the forms of pressure exerted by digging into the private life and the employment sphere of the people to be conditioned produce the same effects.

An osmosis between the clan and the Brescia area also emerges from the Dia report. Among the operations conducted last year stands out for example "Flowers of the Night of San Vito" of the State police of Milan, which led to the arrest of 378 people held responsible for mafia-type association aimed at trafficking drugs and weapons and other serious offenses. Among the investigated, 160 were of Calabrian origin, almost all domiciled in the provinces of Como and Brescia.


Over the years the investigations have traced the presence of premises managed by the 'Ndrangheta in Brescia and Lumezzane. In May 2018, with the «Barbarossa» operation, the carabinieri arrested 26 people recently resident in Brescia, one of whom had participated in a series of extortion activities on behalf of the Reggina Pesce family from Rosarno. And, again last year, a tax fraud was discovered for 16 million liters of fuel from Slovenia and Croatia.

To the illicit transactions conducted by Mantua and Brescia brokers, estimated at a total of 65 million, a sort of tax was individually applied, probably due to the Camorra. SLIDING UP THE RATINGS OF THE REPORTS It emerges that the Camorra is the first mafia organization to have colonized the Brescia area through the "entertainment industry" and tourism.


The Laezza family, adjacent to the Moccia di Afragola clan, in 2014 it was the owner of nightclubs and hotel facilities in Desenzano and Lonato. In 2008 he moved to Brescia under probation Biagio Bifulco, according to investigators the new regent of the Fabbrocino clan of San Giuseppe Vesuviano.


The presence of Cosa Nostra seems more sporadic, due to transversal events. Salvatore Badalamenti was the resident of Orzinuovi, nephew of the historic boss Gaetano who had spent a forced stay in Calcinato. In San Zeno the headquarters of Rosario Cascino was set up and in Ghedi that of Nunzio Mirko Licata: both referred to the thigh of Cosa Nostra headed by Daniele Emmanuello.

But the province of Brescia is also the land of 'ndrangheta. In Garda, Francesco Scullino, a native of Oppido Mamertina, considered a boss. The abduction of Roberta Ghidini in 1991 cannot be forgotten. To organize the kidnapping of the girl - released a month later in the province of Reggio Calabria - was the Mazzaferro clan of Marina di Gioiosa Ionica, 'ndrina present in Lumezzane.

Finally, the Sacra Corona Unita, which in the Brescia area sees the presence of representatives of the Tornese clan, originally from Monteroni, in the province of Lecce. •

[NYNighthawk]

No one is going to do a commission meeting these days. Too many videos - ez pass toll records - informants - wiretaps, etc. If something needed to be discussed at that level- the Boos would send a message to other families via a consigliere or top capo and get a consensus.

[CabriniGreen]

they are one and the same since the beginning, before italy unification when sicily, calabria and naples where the two sicilies kingdom under the bourbons, cosa nostra/ndrangheta/camorra are just regional nicknames

I thought it was Just Cosa Nostra and Ndrangheta that are one and the same group with The Cammorra and SCU being totally separate and operating in a totally different manner then LCN Ndrangheta. The Cammorra has no pyramidal structure and no mandamenti , No dome , No cupola, No boss or Commission ! The Cammorra is Like a bunch of gangs , Just clans with a BOSS who are constantly battling each other .

the real camorra are not the juvenile gangs but the casalesi, the contini-licciardi, the polverino-nuvoletta etc. the scu is also the same thing, it changes the name but just a regional one, there are several informants who said they are all the same thing

What is your opinion on Saviano? I'm beginning to suspect that he uses the "under carabinieri protection" statement as a marketing ploy, I didn't read anything that revealing. It certainly wasn't the pentagon papers. Just curious. He gave an interview and explained the modern camorra, saying that there's no semblance of a criminal fraternity like the mafia, instead its akin to cartels and that someone can move to Naples and just start a camorra gang (technically).

I need to freshen up Naples post 1960. There was the NCO and the NF (wasn't that allied with the Mafia?). When you say "real camorra" and cite the casalesi, Contini-Licciardi and Polverino-Nuvoletta, what do you mean by that? Are you stating that they have a mutual recognition of each other or are you saying they have a criminal association among them? Based on what I've read and gathered would I be wrong to equate what passes for the camorra to localized Naples versions of Mexican Cartels?

Saviano DOES, or I should say DID use it as marketing ploy, but he doesnt need any ploy today....

That movie Immortalle opened as the biggest thing in Italy...... When you saw him speaking about the " Baby gangs", he had a movie coming out about baby gangsters called Piranhas.... he has the Amazon show 000 coming...... hes a powerhouse into himself now over there....

NOW, none of that really takes away from the info in the book, it all comes from investigations......

There were a couple things I found interesting....

1. The fact that Versace, Valentino, Prada, all those high end brands have all thier merchandise made in Mafia controlled sweatshops, AND THEY KNOW! Not only know, but SEND representatives to negotiate with them.... And no one ever complains.... They would be giving up thier source of cheap labor...

2. The fact the Nuvolettas let regular working class people INVEST in drug shipments like it was a regular stock, this kinda blew my mind.....

3. Some clans like say the Amato- Pagano DO act like a drug cartel... they import into Spain.. and sell it to whomever.....

The Polverinos are pretty much a hashish cartel, yet they are part of the Nuvoletta clan, who are mostly white collar...


4. I think the Naples clans definitely dominate the Waste disposal and Cement industries, the counterfeit markets, and they have made big inroads into gambling....

[Angelo Santino]

they are one and the same since the beginning, before italy unification when sicily, calabria and naples where the two sicilies kingdom under the bourbons, cosa nostra/ndrangheta/camorra are just regional nicknames

I thought it was Just Cosa Nostra and Ndrangheta that are one and the same group with The Cammorra and SCU being totally separate and operating in a totally different manner then LCN Ndrangheta. The Cammorra has no pyramidal structure and no mandamenti , No dome , No cupola, No boss or Commission ! The Cammorra is Like a bunch of gangs , Just clans with a BOSS who are constantly battling each other .

the real camorra are not the juvenile gangs but the casalesi, the contini-licciardi, the polverino-nuvoletta etc. the scu is also the same thing, it changes the name but just a regional one, there are several informants who said they are all the same thing

What is your opinion on Saviano? I'm beginning to suspect that he uses the "under carabinieri protection" statement as a marketing ploy, I didn't read anything that revealing. It certainly wasn't the pentagon papers. Just curious. He gave an interview and explained the modern camorra, saying that there's no semblance of a criminal fraternity like the mafia, instead its akin to cartels and that someone can move to Naples and just start a camorra gang (technically).

I need to freshen up Naples post 1960. There was the NCO and the NF (wasn't that allied with the Mafia?). When you say "real camorra" and cite the casalesi, Contini-Licciardi and Polverino-Nuvoletta, what do you mean by that? Are you stating that they have a mutual recognition of each other or are you saying they have a criminal association among them? Based on what I've read and gathered would I be wrong to equate what passes for the camorra to localized Naples versions of Mexican Cartels?

Saviano DOES, or I should say DID use it as marketing ploy, but he doesnt need any ploy today....

That movie Immortalle opened as the biggest thing in Italy...... When you saw him speaking about the " Baby gangs", he had a movie coming out about baby gangsters called Piranhas.... he has the Amazon show 000 coming...... hes a powerhouse into himself now over there....

NOW, none of that really takes away from the info in the book, it all comes from investigations......

There were a couple things I found interesting....

1. The fact that Versace, Valentino, Prada, all those high end brands have all thier merchandise made in Mafia controlled sweatshops, AND THEY KNOW! Not only know, but SEND representatives to negotiate with them.... And no one ever complains.... They would be giving up thier source of cheap labor...

2. The fact the Nuvolettas let regular working class people INVEST in drug shipments like it was a regular stock, this kinda blew my mind.....

3. Some clans like say the Amato- Pagano DO act like a drug cartel... they import into Spain.. and sell it to whomever.....

The Polverinos are pretty much a hashish cartel, yet they are part of the Nuvoletta clan, who are mostly white collar...


4. I think the Naples clans definitely dominate the Waste disposal and Cement industries, the counterfeit markets, and they have made big inroads into gambling....

I'm not disputing that it is interesting. In fact, it serves as a great showcase of how organized crime affects Naples in the 2000's. But what I'm saying is that his book didn't break the news on any of these activities. It's not like his book lead to the Italian government stopping in its tracks and saying: we didn't know this was going on, we're mounting investigations now! There are no names of current people mentioned, it's a what's what of Naples OC that's only surprising to people who aren't from there. So again I'm not sure what they would want to kill him over, he's not the only author to write about the subject and quite honestly, Neapolitan gangsters enjoy the glamorization they'd be more inclined to buy him dinner. Other authors are going around covering the exact same topic he is, some of them actually have inside connections providing information. Looking at their treatment of press/authors past and present, Saviano's alleged death threats appears to be the exception. Am I mistaken?

[CabriniGreen]

Really? What other authors? Or books... I need something new to read... seriously, lol

[CabriniGreen]

I think it was pretty current for the time it came out.... although a lot of it was kind of a history lesson for Naples OC......

For example, I'm pretty sure the Cavas and Grazianos STILL hate each other.....lol

The Nuvolettas would have been considered Corleonesi, and yet their clan is still active today, while I'm not sure of the status of the " Corleonesi" faction currently, the whole affair with Leandro Greco has Palermo the center of mafia politics again. He ( Saviano) mentioned the Polverinos being a " sub- clan" , clearly they evolved over the years...

The Nuvoletta-Polverinos are basically the same as say... the Piromalli- Mole.. with the Mole and Polverinos being the Muscle-/ narcotics arm, the Piromalli Nuvolettas are the controllers of the " Criminal holding company", the financial power. You see this same thing repeated over and over with clans. I think it's what hurt the Inzerillos, I dont know who thier military arm was....




Maybe the young, center city pushers might like the notoriety, but not clans like the Nuvolettas, Mazzarellas, Moccia, the Casalesi families....They have contacts with the government, the publicity would hurt I think.....

[CabriniGreen]

The Casalesi have the same type of Masonic ties... I'm not sure about the other Naples clans... probably the Nuvolettas for sure.....