Montreal Mafia status - Post Rizzuto Era

[Lupara]

The rizzutos will recover.

I wouldn't say that too soon. As we've seen, tides can swift fast and there's a lot of bad blood. I no longer dare to make predictions.

[stubbs]

I cant believe they didnt pay the hitters..... you always feed the wolves...

A lot of these guys dont seem to have a clue about running a large organization.... they make the dumbest mistakes...

I'm not surprised, the Scoppas seemed like arrogant hotheads, or at least Salvatore more so than Andrea. And yeah, not paying your hitters is a great way to cause people to flip... either flip to the feds or flip allegiances on the street.

[stubbs]

The rizzutos will recover.

I wouldn't say that too soon. As we've seen, tides can swift fast and there's a lot of bad blood. I no longer dare to make predictions.

What's interesting is there's been two separate coups attempted against the Rizzutos over the past decade and both have failed. I wonder how they've been able to hold on? Also, why they keep getting underestimated? Do the Rizzutos have much more respect on the streets from the bikers and street gangs than anyone realizes? Or maybe it's pure dumb luck.

I also wonder how closely tied the Rizzutos are to the Wolfpack? Maybe they're increasing the share the bikers and Wolfpack are getting in the Montreal drug scene, in exchange for backing them on the streets?

[Lupara]

What's interesting is there's been two separate coups attempted against the Rizzutos over the past decade and both have failed. I wonder how they've been able to hold on?

Because they are remarkably tight-knit and clannish and ultimately still profit from Nick and Vito's connections, not to mention the latter's charisma. Vito commanded so much respect that he can still order murders from the grave, so to speak. I think his legacy is what's holding this group together. Also, the leaders have been clever enough to share the wealth among each other, which keeps everyone happy, loyal and resilient.

Also, why they keep getting underestimated? Do the Rizzutos have much more respect on the streets from the bikers and street gangs than anyone realizes?

I think it ultimately comes down to jealousy. And it's men's nature to challenge those who they feel threatened by.

Just my two cents.

[Moscone65]

The rizzutos will recover.

I wouldn't say that too soon. As we've seen, tides can swift fast and there's a lot of bad blood. I no longer dare to make predictions.

I respect your opinion, but they will recover. Not to previous heights but close.

[Lupara]

The rizzutos will recover.

I wouldn't say that too soon. As we've seen, tides can swift fast and there's a lot of bad blood. I no longer dare to make predictions.

I respect your opinion, but they will recover. Not to previous heights but close.

Depends on how you define it. The group is still there but whether they will control Montreal again remains to be seen.

As others have been saying, there may be plenty of people who want to avenge murders attributed to them and they probably will when the time is right. It's a never ending circle.

[Moscone65]

That’s true, but I think certain groups pike the Scoppa group may be done now. Who’s gonna go for revenge, who knows..

[antimafia]

Le cartel d’El Chapo gagne du terrain à Montréal:

https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2019/11/16/ ... a-montreal

[dixiemafia]

I cant believe they didnt pay the hitters..... you always feed the wolves...

A lot of these guys dont seem to have a clue about running a large organization.... they make the dumbest mistakes...

I'm not surprised, the Scoppas seemed like arrogant hotheads, or at least Salvatore more so than Andrea. And yeah, not paying your hitters is a great way to cause people to flip... either flip to the feds or flip allegiances on the street.

Thing was, they had to flip to the Mounties, there was no way they could jump sides to the Sicilians because of "who" they killed.

[Laurentian]

It is not that very often that an individual from Ottawa who had long-standing ties with the Mafia, and in occurrence with the Rizzuto Family, has been shot and killed yesterday.


Former boss of illegal Ottawa gambling ring target in shooting outside Meadowlands gym

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-ne ... e-incident

[Laurentian]

It is not that very often that an individual from Ottawa who had long-standing ties with the Mafia, and in occurrence with the Rizzuto Family, has been shot yesterday.


Former boss of illegal Ottawa gambling ring target in shooting outside Meadowlands gym

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-ne ... e-incident

[Laurentian]

It is not that very often that an individual from Ottawa who had long-standing ties with the Mafia, and in occurrence with the Rizzuto Family, has been shot yesterday.


Former boss of illegal Ottawa gambling ring target in shooting outside Meadowlands gym

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-ne ... e-incident

Un individu lié à la mafia atteint par balles à Ottawa

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... ottawa.php

[antimafia]

Le cartel d’El Chapo gagne du terrain à Montréal:

https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2019/11/16/ ... a-montreal

Cross-posting.
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https://www.pressreader.com/canada/nati ... 123/page/6

[CabriniGreen]

What's interesting is there's been two separate coups attempted against the Rizzutos over the past decade and both have failed. I wonder how they've been able to hold on?

Because they are remarkably tight-knit and clannish and ultimately still profit from Nick and Vito's connections, not to mention the latter's charisma. Vito commanded so much respect that he can still order murders from the grave, so to speak. I think his legacy is what's holding this group together. Also, the leaders have been clever enough to share the wealth among each other, which keeps everyone happy, loyal and resilient.

Also, why they keep getting underestimated? Do the Rizzutos have much more respect on the streets from the bikers and street gangs than anyone realizes?

I think it ultimately comes down to jealousy. And it's men's nature to challenge those who they feel threatened by.

Just my two cents.

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When I came to power and politics, Machiavelli really knew his shit....

[CabriniGreen]

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Montagnais WHOLE move in a fuckin nutshell, lol