Is Pittsburgh alive?

[Moscone65]

I don’t get how buffalo could be such if a far stretch for some people. It’s an unknown fact that seems to have more evidence than falseness. There’s a wiretap with a made guy saying to another made guy that he was promoted to underboss. Whether there’s 30 guys, whether he was promoted to underboss, that’s up for debate but clearly there is some lcn presence that seems large enough to be a full fledged family in buffalo. Even if it’s 15 made guys and 50 associates, that’s big enough to be a family, look at all the Canadian groups, they aren’t usually bigger than that but still very active. But I digress, that’s talk for another forum post. Anything that’s not explicitly stated by the federal bureau of idiots is not good enough for wiseguy.

[Lupara]

This Buffalo debate has been discussed to death, brought back alive and then discussed to death again. And besides, Wiseguy had already admitted to a humiliating defeat some time ago. He now is pushing for another fight, but I know, he knows and you know it's a lost cause.

That being said, everyone who now want to start another fight for Pittsburgh and see whether they can give WG, who was once undefeatable, another knock-out, can have a go.

[FriendofHenry]

This Buffalo debate has been discussed to death, brought back alive and then discussed to death again. And besides, Wiseguy had already admitted to a humiliating defeat some time ago. He now is pushing for another fight, but I know, he knows and you know it's a lost cause.

That being said, everyone who now want to start another fight for Pittsburgh and see whether they can give WG, who was once undefeatable, another knock-out, can have a go.

Hell, I'll gladly be Wiseguy's corner man, so bring it on

[Lupara]

This Buffalo debate has been discussed to death, brought back alive and then discussed to death again. And besides, Wiseguy had already admitted to a humiliating defeat some time ago. He now is pushing for another fight, but I know, he knows and you know it's a lost cause.

That being said, everyone who now want to start another fight for Pittsburgh and see whether they can give WG, who was once undefeatable, another knock-out, can have a go.

Hell, I'll gladly be Wiseguy's corner man, so bring it on

That would bring the odds back in his favor. [emoji44]

You of all people.......

[FriendofHenry]

This Buffalo debate has been discussed to death, brought back alive and then discussed to death again. And besides, Wiseguy had already admitted to a humiliating defeat some time ago. He now is pushing for another fight, but I know, he knows and you know it's a lost cause.

That being said, everyone who now want to start another fight for Pittsburgh and see whether they can give WG, who was once undefeatable, another knock-out, can have a go.

Hell, I'll gladly be Wiseguy's corner man, so bring it on

That would bring the odds back in his favor.

[s]just between us... How much $ do you want to back off?[/s]

If that's an offer for me I'm afraid I'll have to respectfully decline.
I'm really "Old School" and I don't ever jump ship.

[Lupara]

This Buffalo debate has been discussed to death, brought back alive and then discussed to death again. And besides, Wiseguy had already admitted to a humiliating defeat some time ago. He now is pushing for another fight, but I know, he knows and you know it's a lost cause.

That being said, everyone who now want to start another fight for Pittsburgh and see whether they can give WG, who was once undefeatable, another knock-out, can have a go.

Hell, I'll gladly be Wiseguy's corner man, so bring it on

That would bring the odds back in his favor.

[s]just between us... How much $ do you want to back off?[/s]

If that's an offer for me I'm afraid I'll have to respectfully decline.
I'm really "Old School" and I don't ever jump ship.

(Just between us okay? Everyone has a price so name it!)

Dan da Manna would turn in his grave if WG makes a comeback.

[Wiseguy]

I don’t get how buffalo could be such if a far stretch for some people. It’s an unknown fact that seems to have more evidence than falseness. There’s a wiretap with a made guy saying to another made guy that he was promoted to underboss. Whether there’s 30 guys, whether he was promoted to underboss, that’s up for debate but clearly there is some lcn presence that seems large enough to be a full fledged family in buffalo. Even if it’s 15 made guys and 50 associates, that’s big enough to be a family, look at all the Canadian groups, they aren’t usually bigger than that but still very active. But I digress, that’s talk for another forum post. Anything that’s not explicitly stated by the federal bureau of idiots is not good enough for wiseguy.

13 identifiable members. Three of which are in their 90s or will be within a year. Not sure where you get 50 associates from. But I guess that was as good a random number to pick out of the air as any.

As I've pointed out before, if it wasn't for that 2017 drug bust, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. For years before that case, as well as since then, what have we seen? Essentially what one 2006 article called “small numbers of loosely associated individuals [getting] together to commit Mafia style crimes."

And does anyone deny the Musitano, Ivarone, and Luppino murders are more reflective of the unrest in Canada than anything in Western New York?

This Buffalo debate has been discussed to death, brought back alive and then discussed to death again. And besides, Wiseguy had already admitted to a humiliating defeat some time ago. He now is pushing for another fight, but I know, he knows and you know it's a lost cause.

Er...when did this happen? Such a vivid imagination.

That being said, everyone who now want to start another fight for Pittsburgh and see whether they can give WG, who was once undefeatable, another knock-out, can have a go.

Heck, why stop with Pittsburgh? Maybe we need to go back to when the forums had 20 members for St. Louis, 30 members for Milwaukee, and 40 members for Kansas City. And towards the end of the RD forum's run, there were nearly 60 members listed for Detroit. Ah, the good ol' days when ignorance was bliss.

[Lupara]

I don’t get how buffalo could be such if a far stretch for some people. It’s an unknown fact that seems to have more evidence than falseness. There’s a wiretap with a made guy saying to another made guy that he was promoted to underboss. Whether there’s 30 guys, whether he was promoted to underboss, that’s up for debate but clearly there is some lcn presence that seems large enough to be a full fledged family in buffalo. Even if it’s 15 made guys and 50 associates, that’s big enough to be a family, look at all the Canadian groups, they aren’t usually bigger than that but still very active. But I digress, that’s talk for another forum post. Anything that’s not explicitly stated by the federal bureau of idiots is not good enough for wiseguy.

13 identifiable members. Three of which are in their 90s or will be within a year. Not sure where you get 50 associates from. But I guess that was as good a random number to pick out of the air as any.

As I've pointed out before, if it wasn't for that 2017 drug bust, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. For years before that case, as well as since then, what have we seen? Essentially what one 2006 article called “small numbers of loosely associated individuals [getting] together to commit Mafia style crimes."

And does anyone deny the Musitano, Ivarone, and Luppino murders are more reflective of the unrest in Canada than anything in Western New York?

This Buffalo debate has been discussed to death, brought back alive and then discussed to death again. And besides, Wiseguy had already admitted to a humiliating defeat some time ago. He now is pushing for another fight, but I know, he knows and you know it's a lost cause.

Er...when did this happen? Such a vivid imagination.

That being said, everyone who now want to start another fight for Pittsburgh and see whether they can give WG, who was once undefeatable, another knock-out, can have a go.

Heck, why stop with Pittsburgh? Maybe we need to go back to when the forums had 20 members for St. Louis, 30 members for Milwaukee, and 40 members for Kansas City. And towards the end of the RD forum's run, there were nearly 60 members listed for Detroit. Ah, the good ol' days when ignorance was bliss.

It will be good for forum activity.

For what it's worth, I hereby declare we should re-evaluate the status of all the families outside New York. A new thread for each family. Bring guys over from GBB so you have to discuss each family simultaneously with dozens of fierceful forum warriors. It will help keep you in shape.

Buffalo has shown that anything is possible.

[Lou_Para]

As a structure, the Mob no longer exists in Pgh, and hasn't for a while. True Sonny Cianutti is still around, but he's a remnant,not an active force. We still have the gambling, whether it be numbers,sports video or as we've seen lately,private big stakes card games,(mostly Hold-em). Jr
. is gone,Rodney,Porky,and the Rishas still have a nice book going. Dope still brings in some cash,as does the Gentlemen's Club business.The 1%ers still have some dealings with guys in the drug and extortion rackets, but a lot less now that Rooster has been thrown out of the Pag*ns. the Boilermakers local (154) and LIUNA (1085) still have a couple things going, and don't even wind me up about the Zappala/Porter Mob 'Family'.

porky is a rat and what made porky a force was his political connections those are now gone

the rishas are dead

Holy shit! I actually forgot about the "Risha Trifecta". out of sight,out of mind I guess, As a side note,although Pgh never really made it into the National leagues, we had something no other Family can ever take away from us - "Tex" Gill. (LOL)
Need I say more?

[Moscone65]

I don’t get how buffalo could be such if a far stretch for some people. It’s an unknown fact that seems to have more evidence than falseness. There’s a wiretap with a made guy saying to another made guy that he was promoted to underboss. Whether there’s 30 guys, whether he was promoted to underboss, that’s up for debate but clearly there is some lcn presence that seems large enough to be a full fledged family in buffalo. Even if it’s 15 made guys and 50 associates, that’s big enough to be a family, look at all the Canadian groups, they aren’t usually bigger than that but still very active. But I digress, that’s talk for another forum post. Anything that’s not explicitly stated by the federal bureau of idiots is not good enough for wiseguy.

13 identifiable members. Three of which are in their 90s or will be within a year. Not sure where you get 50 associates from. But I guess that was as good a random number to pick out of the air as any.

As I've pointed out before, if it wasn't for that 2017 drug bust, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. For years before that case, as well as since then, what have we seen? Essentially what one 2006 article called “small numbers of loosely associated individuals [getting] together to commit Mafia style crimes."

And does anyone deny the Musitano, Ivarone, and Luppino murders are more reflective of the unrest in Canada than anything in Western New York?

This Buffalo debate has been discussed to death, brought back alive and then discussed to death again. And besides, Wiseguy had already admitted to a humiliating defeat some time ago. He now is pushing for another fight, but I know, he knows and you know it's a lost cause.

Er...when did this happen? Such a vivid imagination.

That being said, everyone who now want to start another fight for Pittsburgh and see whether they can give WG, who was once undefeatable, another knock-out, can have a go.

Heck, why stop with Pittsburgh? Maybe we need to go back to when the forums had 20 members for St. Louis, 30 members for Milwaukee, and 40 members for Kansas City. And towards the end of the RD forum's run, there were nearly 60 members listed for Detroit. Ah, the good ol' days when ignorance was bliss.

It will be good for forum activity.

For what it's worth, I hereby declare we should re-evaluate the status of all the families outside New York. A new thread for each family. Bring guys over from GBB so you have to discuss each family simultaneously with dozens of fierceful forum warriors. It will help keep you in shape.

Buffalo has shown that anything is possible.

Thanks for that chuckle, I totally agree

[FriendofHenry]

This Buffalo debate has been discussed to death, brought back alive and then discussed to death again. And besides, Wiseguy had already admitted to a humiliating defeat some time ago. He now is pushing for another fight, but I know, he knows and you know it's a lost cause.

That being said, everyone who now want to start another fight for Pittsburgh and see whether they can give WG, who was once undefeatable, another knock-out, can have a go.

Hell, I'll gladly be Wiseguy's corner man, so bring it on

That would bring the odds back in his favor.

[s]just between us... How much $ do you want to back off?[/s]

If that's an offer for me I'm afraid I'll have to respectfully decline.
I'm really "Old School" and I don't ever jump ship.

(Just between us okay? Everyone has a price so name it!)

Dan da Manna would turn in his grave if WG makes a comeback.

I'm only in for Pittsburgh. What I know about other families you can put under your thumb nail

[Cheech]

Thanks, so in a few years there would be no mafia shadow in those cities, I don't know what Philadelphia will be like, but I think LCN was restricted to New York and New Jersey.

As I've said before, while I couldn't give a timeframe, I do think the day will come the LCN will only be found in the extended New York metropolitan area, i.e. the five NYC boroughs, Long Island, Westchester and the northern suburbs, Southwest Connecticut, and Northern New Jersey.

Ten:Fifteen years from now this will be a reality.

[Nepa31]

Pittsburgh is as dead as Osama Bin Laden. Buffalo however, is here to stay. Some people here simply have to deal with that proven in court fact. It is what it is.

And then you woke up.

The Decavs are no longer the Decavs and are just a crew under the Gambino flag.

That's misleading. The DeCavalcantes are still their own family. They are affilated with the Gambinos.

A few rackets that are still going in NEPA were taken over by associates of the Genovese and Norristown is run by a made Genovese guy.

And who would that be?

I think that strategy will continue in any of the cities/areas that have enough people/money to sustain a small racket or two. Pittsburgh will probably(if it doesn’t already) have somebody from the Genovese out there making a few bucks. The small time families are dead but making money in those areas has not. Somebody will fill the void.

Again, what evidence is there about any "strategy" by the NY families moving into fill a void elsewhere?

Calling the Decavs their own family is laughable, they can’t even make their own guys without permission and haven’t been able to for years. Those fucking guys can’t wipe their ass without asking NY for permission. They are probably less of a factor in NJ these days than the Todaro’s are in Buffalo. At least the Todaro’s are still loaded with cash while most of the Decavs are broke. I shared a cell with Rago for a year, he’s fucking broke. The Genovese strategy of chopping up the leftovers of other families started in the 80s with Philly. There are multiple FBI reports of the Genovese taking over the garbage business in NEPA and whatever remnants where left in Hazleton with the Scalleat’s. By rights Scalleat’s rackets should have went to Philly since they are still a viable family and that’s the family he was made into but they did not, they went to the Genovese.

I don’t disagree that the Pittsburgh, Bufalino, and Buffalo families are dead. I’m just stating that their are facts to show that the Gambino, Genovese and Sicilian’s from Canada are picking up the crumbs from areas that used to have decent money making rackets. They are the only viable families left that have the power and money to do so.

[Moscone65]

Why don’t you guys just make nyc5fams4life.com and stay there, or better yet, themobsisathingofthepast.net, fucking annoying with you guys always spewing the same shit when people just wanna talk and not be constantly shit down. Vattin a napule, tremonn’

[JeremyTheJew]

Pittsburgh is as dead as Osama Bin Laden. Buffalo however, is here to stay. Some people here simply have to deal with that proven in court fact. It is what it is.

And then you woke up.

The Decavs are no longer the Decavs and are just a crew under the Gambino flag.

That's misleading. The DeCavalcantes are still their own family. They are affilated with the Gambinos.

A few rackets that are still going in NEPA were taken over by associates of the Genovese and Norristown is run by a made Genovese guy.

And who would that be?

I think that strategy will continue in any of the cities/areas that have enough people/money to sustain a small racket or two. Pittsburgh will probably(if it doesn’t already) have somebody from the Genovese out there making a few bucks. The small time families are dead but making money in those areas has not. Somebody will fill the void.

Again, what evidence is there about any "strategy" by the NY families moving into fill a void elsewhere?

Calling the Decavs their own family is laughable, they can’t even make their own guys without permission and haven’t been able to for years. Those fucking guys can’t wipe their ass without asking NY for permission. They are probably less of a factor in NJ these days than the Todaro’s are in Buffalo. At least the Todaro’s are still loaded with cash while most of the Decavs are broke. I shared a cell with Rago for a year, he’s fucking broke. The Genovese strategy of chopping up the leftovers of other families started in the 80s with Philly. There are multiple FBI reports of the Genovese taking over the garbage business in NEPA and whatever remnants where left in Hazleton with the Scalleat’s. By rights Scalleat’s rackets should have went to Philly since they are still a viable family and that’s the family he was made into but they did not, they went to the Genovese.

I don’t disagree that the Pittsburgh, Bufalino, and Buffalo families are dead. I’m just stating that their are facts to show that the Gambino, Genovese and Sicilian’s from Canada are picking up the crumbs from areas that used to have decent money making rackets. They are the only viable families left that have the power and money to do so.

Soo
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Do u mind if I ask what your sentence was and what your crime was and where exactly you did time...?