bonanno split

[CTamg65]

Having a drug addict som is very embarrassing for these guys they consider it a major sign of weakness

[gohnjotti]

Having a drug addict som is very embarrassing for these guys they consider it a major sign of weakness

Call me crazy, but I disagree. John Spirito Jr. was shelved by Cammarano Jr. - not by Mancuso. Spirito Jr. was probably only shelved due to the internecine power struggle at the time. Bear in mind that Cammarano attempted to seize the family for himself against Mancuso’s orders.

Regardless of whether or not Spirito Jr. does drugs - I have no knowledge either way - he held the rank of acting captain in his 30s and, according to JD, may have helped run the family at some stage. His 2016 indictment shows that he was hooked up with the powerful Parrello crew of the Genoveses up there, and active in bread-and-butter rackets like illegal gambling.

Also, keep in mind that Anthony Seccafico was whacked after he slapped John Jr. in the face.

[Nepa31]

Johnny Joe is from the bronx crew he definetely doesnt play games hes a legit tough guy my cousin did a little time on part of his Fed bid w him and said hes respected by everyone to say the least and like Nepa stated regardless of Rank Johnny Joei holds sway in thay family i think probably even more if Mikey is running things they both came up in the bronx im pretty sure they were both very close to Patsy Defillipo could be wrong though
..some guys regatdless of rank are very powerful especially within there own families theres some very powerful soldiers who probably get more respect then some captains hell theres very powerful Associates....as far as Johnny Joes son hes a junkie or at least when the feds ran down on him he was caught getting high in the parking lot in a car w some other addicts supposedly hes shelved but with mancuso running shit now and his dad coming home he may very well come off that shelf if true

Exactly right. So many things that happen in the streets are geographically related whether it’s inter-family or not. There is no other place in the country that is more “neighborhood/area proud” then NYC. Whether your black, white, street guy or not. This is about the Bronx guys being in power and as Ctamg65 said Johnny was extremely close to Patty before he died and Mancuso and him have been close for a long time. Mancuso didn’t pick Jr out of a hat and put him on his visitor list. Do some of you guys even realize the trouble you go through to get a non-immediate family member WITH KNOWN ORGANIZED CRIME TIES allowed on your visitor list? It was strategic, period. I can name 3-4 Bonnano guys who’s names you would know that without actually saying “captain” or “capo” told me Johnny Joe was a boss. Now I don’t think they meant the actual boss but he sure as hell is above them and the 3 of them are soldiers listed in the Bonanno charts. When it all plays out in the next year I’m telling you I would bet HUGE money that Johnny Joe is near the top of the hierarchy of that family and his sons sins will be absolved.

[Nepa31]

Having a drug addict som is very embarrassing for these guys they consider it a major sign of weakness

Call me crazy, but I disagree. John Spirito Jr. was shelvd by Cammarano Jr. - not by Mancuso. Spirito Jr. was probably only shelved due to the internecine power struggle at the time. Bear in mind that Cammarano attempted to seize the family for himself against Mancuso’s orders.

Regardless of whether or not Spirito Jr. does drugs - I have no knowledge either way - he held the rank of acting captain in his 30s and, according to JD, may have helped run the family at some stage. His 2016 indictment shows that he was hooked up with the powerful Parrello crew of the Genoveses up there, and active in bread-and-butter rackets like illegal gambling.

Also, keep in mind that Anthony Seccafico was whacked after he slapped John Jr. in the face.

100% correct. Even the Prisci beatdown at Fairton was blamed on Johnny Joe. I spent 3 years at Fairton and I’m telling you Johnny was absolutely looked at differently then the other Bonnano guys. Quite frankly the only person who seemed to be treated with as much respect by the staff was Bobby Manna. Every Sunday when we went to church Bobby would have 2 guys on his arm(poor old guy was starting to limp a bit before I left) most of the time it was Johnny or Allie(Parello’s nephew). Regardless of family affiliation the Bronx guys stick together.

[CTamg65]

I realize that cammarrano is the one whoshelved him i just thought that with mancuso boss we might see him active again especially w his father coming home and i agree that he was very active in the family and definetely connected with parello and that crew especially being they are also Bronx based i was just stating thatwhen the indictment came down it clearly said he was a drug use and was in the process of using heroin when they rolled up on him to place him in custody i know for a fact that regardless if shitloads of wiseguys take pills but the minute your arrested for it and guys find out your getting high they defonetely will lose there faith in you amd the trust they had in you that being said if he really is Shelved i believe that if he cleans himself up and with his father coming home that he will be off that shelf in no time once a addict.....all im saying is that sole reason alone guys will loom at him differently regardless what hes done in the past he will have to prove himself again....thats just my opinion.....great writeup on Amato Gohn i appreciate everything you bring to this forum keep it up im going to be away for a little bit i look forward to reading them when i get back ....take care and happy holidays ill be back beginning of 2020

[Yonkers103]

i don't respond much to many posts but i have to ask where did anyone hear that JJ jr is a junkie? i don't know the kid personally and i'm about 20 years older then him but i do know a few people who are familiar with either him or his family and there has never been rumors of him using drugs and i believe that would have been widely reported if feds picked up a wise guy in a parking lot while getting high, just doesn't sound credible to me but that's my opinion

[gohnjotti]

Thanks CTamg, happy holidays to you too! Don’t get in too much trouble, I’ll there’ll be some more writeups waiting for you by 2020, I assure you.

[CabriniGreen]

Rank and influence ain't the same....

[Bklyn21]

Having a drug addict som is very embarrassing for these guys they consider it a major sign of weakness

Supposedly word was Jr.Spirito wasn't getting any respect by anyone, They looked at him as a joke and only had status because of his father. Heard he would get beat on Loanshark money, And couldnt run a bookmaking operation if his life depended on it, He was always broke and he wasn't wiseguy material, He was supposedly a laughing stock amongst everyone. Alottapwople referred to him as the "Retard"

[slimshady_007]

Anyone think Spirito jr was involved in the Seccafico hit?

[CTamg65]

Yonkers ,i would never accuse someone of getting high based off rumor but its public knowledge it was in the papers and in the indictment i believe that when the feds went to grab him he was in a parking lot with others in a car getting high with dope on him listen i dont wish heroin addiction on Anyone so im not going to mention it anymore but what i stated is a fact sadly i hope for him and his family he cleaned up and like Nepa said i can almost guarantee that when his dad gets home he will be back in the mix

[Bklyn21]

Yonkers ,i would never accuse someone of getting high based off rumor but its public knowledge it was in the papers and in the indictment i believe that when the feds went to grab him he was in a parking lot with others in a car getting high with dope on him listen i dont wish heroin addiction on Anyone so im not going to mention it anymore but what i stated is a fact sadly i hope for him and his family he cleaned up and like Nepa said i can almost guarantee that when his dad gets home he will be back in the mix

That was Jr. ? I think that was Coppola's son getting high snorting dope on a NJ trnpke reststop and caught with like 10 bundles

[Yonkers103]

bkln21 yes i think people are getting JJ jr confused with someone else, everything else may very well be true but the junkie story i highly doubt! i think his father would never stand for having a junkie son and why would they straighten out a junkie anyway? can't be the right person has to be mistaken.

[Mets86]

Amazing coincidence that Mancuso gets released and Cammarano and Porky beat the charges in court the very next day. Maybe the Bonannos hoped that those two would go away for many years, which would make the whole problem moot. Now you have the boss in the streets as well as two guys who plotted a soft coup while he was locked up. The threshold for getting whacked has gotten so high that you have to wonder how can the LCN even enforce the internal discipline if murders are so strongly discouraged.

[Moscone65]

The problem for Mancuso is he just got out of prison, if he orders them whacked it might bite him in the ass a year or two down the road if someone flips. Then he would go to jail for the rest of his life, and he just got out. Im pretty sure he would try to avoid that as much as he can.