Frank Locascio

[maxiestern11]

Not compensating guys who are doing long prison sentences while also allowing most informants and cooperators to live out in the open without fear of retribution seems to be a poor business model. That’s basically asking guys to flip.

The reason why the Mafia today operates on this business model, as you put it, is because the Mafia operates on selfishness. People avoid paying money wherever possible. People take what they want. It is an organization of criminals who are out for themselves.

The Genovese family had the long-term strategy, which has proven successful, of supporting incarcerated members.

For the Colombo family, the policy is not universal and is only diligently enforced when it comes to the imprisoned Persico family. In that case, tribute flows into Persicos' commissary accounts and there is an annual Christmas payment which appears to be mandatory.
Acting boss Tommy Gioeli, however, was also the recipient of tribute money once he was incarcerated, and that seemed to be mandatory too, indicating that there is some sort of "protocol" for incarcerated acting bosses.
Acting boss Joel Cacace actually had some of his rackets poached, such as his extortion of bookies, by others.
Capo Sonny Franzese received money when he was incarcerated, but that seems to be general tribute money that he was entitled to as a caporegime, a rank which he retained during a short stretch behind bars.
Given his relative low-level in the Colombo family, soldier Dino Saracino was not "officially" given tribute when he was inside, but he outlined a plan for three associates - Tommy Gallo, Tommy McLaughlin and his wife, April - to continue his loansharking operation while he was incarcerated. This plan wasn't adhered to; Anthony Russo, using proper Mafia protocol, "claimed" associates Gallo & McLaughlin as his own, giving him de facto control over the loansharking operation. For some reason, another associate, Larry Sessa, assumed control over the loansharking book and continued to send tribute money to Saracino, so that's a weird situation.

Agreed Gohn, it’s a haphazard process at best!.... very few get an envelope to help out.

[Pogo The Clown]

Was Loc already a capo under Big Paulie.

I believe so yes. At the very least he was Acting Capo.


Pogo

[Frank]

Was Loc already a capo under Big Paulie.

I believe so yes. At the very least he was Acting Capo.


Pogo

Thanks Pogo, kind of curious if Locs was a supporter of Gotti and the hit. It seems like they really didn't get along.

[maxiestern11]

Not compensating guys who are doing long prison sentences while also allowing most informants and cooperators to live out in the open without fear of retribution seems to be a poor business model. That’s basically asking guys to flip.

The reason why the Mafia today operates on this business model, as you put it, is because the Mafia operates on selfishness. People avoid paying money wherever possible. People take what they want. It is an organization of criminals who are out for themselves.

The Genovese family had the long-term strategy, which has proven successful, of supporting incarcerated members.

For the Colombo family, the policy is not universal and is only diligently enforced when it comes to the imprisoned Persico family. In that case, tribute flows into Persicos' commissary accounts and there is an annual Christmas payment which appears to be mandatory.
Acting boss Tommy Gioeli, however, was also the recipient of tribute money once he was incarcerated, and that seemed to be mandatory too, indicating that there is some sort of "protocol" for incarcerated acting bosses.
Acting boss Joel Cacace actually had some of his rackets poached, such as his extortion of bookies, by others.
Capo Sonny Franzese received money when he was incarcerated, but that seems to be general tribute money that he was entitled to as a caporegime, a rank which he retained during a short stretch behind bars.
Given his relative low-level in the Colombo family, soldier Dino Saracino was not "officially" given tribute when he was inside, but he outlined a plan for three associates - Tommy Gallo, Tommy McLaughlin and his wife, April - to continue his loansharking operation while he was incarcerated. This plan wasn't adhered to; Anthony Russo, using proper Mafia protocol, "claimed" associates Gallo & McLaughlin as his own, giving him de facto control over the loansharking operation. For some reason, another associate, Larry Sessa, assumed control over the loansharking book and continued to send tribute money to Saracino, so that's a weird situation.

[Fughedaboutit]

That’s interesting. What really got me thinking about it was Mikey Scars. I don’t know how truthful he was being but he made it seem like no one was helping he or his family out once he got locked up. He said someone in the Gambinos told him to tell his wife to apply for food stamps if she needed money. He may be overselling it a bit to make cooperating seem more logical, but when he told the story on BBC it just seemed so far fetched that the guy that was in charge of construction for the Gambinos was basically told to pound sand by the family after he got pinched.

I don’t know the full story about DiLeonardo but he’s a pretty well-respected source when it comes to Mafia stuff. I guess you have to bear in mind that this is DiLeonardo’s perception of what went down, and I bet if you asked Peter Gotti candidly, he’d tell a different story. I say this because I noticed when reading Larry Mazza’s autobiography, he wrote about how he was backstabbed in prison by Allie Persico, a co-defendant, through some legal strategy. Mazza cites that as a one of the reasons for flipping; “everyone was out for themselves,” etc. And that might be true on Mazza’s part, but his perception is different to reality because a lot of people were screwed way more than him during that timeframe, especially the Orena faction guys whose crews were taken away from them and rackets poached.

Yeah DiLeonardo made a point in his Q&A with the board to say something like “people thought I was stealing money from the family which was not true. I was the only one to turn in stock money”, which made me think that’s probably where the problem was. Someone thought he wasn’t kicking in his proper share.

Bullshit. These rats always make excuses. Bottom line is, he did not want to do the time.

[mafiastudent]

And another thing, with the exception of a very few guys who make big money, most of the guys in the street - good fellows or not - are mostly broke, believe it or not. So their NOT helping anybody but themselves if they can!
And guys that have money.... are keeping it in their pockets!
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So, does this mean the wives have to have regular jobs?

[Manf]

I have often been curious about how Locascio became part of Gotti's inner circle.

[maxiestern11]

And another thing, with the exception of a very few guys who make big money, most of the guys in the street - good fellows or not - are mostly broke, believe it or not. So their NOT helping anybody but themselves if they can!
And guys that have money.... are keeping it in their pockets!
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So, does this mean the wives have to have regular jobs?

Often times, yes!....but that’s even true when guys are on the streets.... like I said earlier, the mob parallels life in that some guys earn big, some average, some a little.... it largely depends on the individual capabilities of the mob guy weee speaking of. Now don’t get me wrong, no self-respecting Wiseguy wants to be known as a broken down valise, but it’s not like they have s choice. Lol.....
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And remember, like I’ve mentioned numerous times on my profiles of all the fella’s I’ve put up, many of them were very heavy bettors, DG’s their whole lives long, so even guys who earned millions (I kid not), many end up broke! Because of the their bad habits (gambling, broads, big spenders.... or all of the above).
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It’s a “casualty” of the life!

[mafiastudent]

And another thing, with the exception of a very few guys who make big money, most of the guys in the street - good fellows or not - are mostly broke, believe it or not. So their NOT helping anybody but themselves if they can!
And guys that have money.... are keeping it in their pockets!
-

So, does this mean the wives have to have regular jobs?

Often times, yes!....but that’s even true when guys are on the streets.... like I said earlier, the mob parallels life in that some guys earn big, some average, some a little.... it largely depends on the individual capabilities of the mob guy weee speaking of. Now don’t get me wrong, no self-respecting Wiseguy wants to be known as a broken down valise, but it’s not like they have s choice. Lol.....
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And remember, like I’ve mentioned numerous times on my profiles of all the fella’s I’ve put up, many of them were very heavy bettors, DG’s their whole lives long, so even guys who earned millions (I kid not), many end up broke! Because of the their bad habits (gambling, broads, big spenders.... or all of the above).
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It’s a “casualty” of the life!

Well, that sucks. Hell, if I was married to a mob guy, I'd make him ditch the girls and bust his ass. Otherwise, what's the point of living that life if you can't reap any benefits?

[Frank]

I have often been curious about how Locascio became part of Gotti's inner circle.

It would be interesting to know if Frankie Loc was in on backing Gotti on the Big Paulie hit. I would think he was, seeing he was in his administration later on. It's funny the blow up between Gotti and Loc was over an Orange.

[bronx]

100 percent..virry artuso was on the hit

[Amershire_Ed]

I have often been curious about how Locascio became part of Gotti's inner circle.

It would be interesting to know if Frankie Loc was in on backing Gotti on the Big Paulie hit. I would think he was, seeing he was in his administration later on. It's funny the blow up between Gotti and Loc was over an Orange.

Lol yea didn’t Loc steal a couple oranges and offer one to Gotti and Gotti just completely berated him in front of a bunch of people?

I know a lot of the guys in the street respected him but Gotti was a terrible boss.

[Wiseguy]

I have often been curious about how Locascio became part of Gotti's inner circle.

It would be interesting to know if Frankie Loc was in on backing Gotti on the Big Paulie hit. I would think he was, seeing he was in his administration later on. It's funny the blow up between Gotti and Loc was over an Orange.

Lol yea didn’t Loc steal a couple oranges and offer one to Gotti and Gotti just completely berated him in front of a bunch of people?

I know a lot of the guys in the street respected him but Gotti was a terrible boss.

Yeah, that was Gravano's account. Locascio stole some oranges, kept one for himself, gave one to Gravano, and the rest to Gotti. But because he had given Gravano his orange first, that upset Gotti and he layed into Locascio so hard that Locascio was actually in tears later. Supposedly, at that point both had enough of Gotti and agreed to have him killed if they all got out.

[Cheech]

I have often been curious about how Locascio became part of Gotti's inner circle.

It would be interesting to know if Frankie Loc was in on backing Gotti on the Big Paulie hit. I would think he was, seeing he was in his administration later on. It's funny the blow up between Gotti and Loc was over an Orange.

Lol yea didn’t Loc steal a couple oranges and offer one to Gotti and Gotti just completely berated him in front of a bunch of people?

I know a lot of the guys in the street respected him but Gotti was a terrible boss.

Yeah, that was Gravano's account. Locascio stole some oranges, kept one for himself, gave one to Gravano, and the rest to Gotti. But because he had given Gravano his orange first, that upset Gotti and he layed into Locascio so hard that Locascio was actually in tears later. Supposedly, at that point both had enough of Gotti and agreed to have him killed if they all got out.

I never believed the story. who knows....

[Pogo The Clown]

"I've never been a punk in my life. He made me feel like a fucking punk. If I we ever get out of hear I'm going to kill that motherfucker". Or words to that effect - Frank LoCascio


Pogo