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Locascio never ratted and took his life sentence. Gravano wrote in his book that Gotti humiliated Locascio in prison in front of several inmates, and Locascio told Sammy that if they beat their case he was gonna kill Gotti once they got out. Gotti got wind of this a couple years later and allegedly put a contract on Locascio.
My question is two part. First, what’s Locascio’s status today? Obviously he’s doing life so it’s not all that consequential but what is his reputation among guys that are still on the street? Do guys respect him for doing life or was he excommunicated for saying he was gonna move against Gotti?
And secondly, what typically happens with made guys who get super long prison sentences? Does the crime family help them out with taking care of their actual family? Do they still get cuts of rackets they used to have?
My question is two part. First, what’s Locascio’s status today? Obviously he’s doing life so it’s not all that consequential but what is his reputation among guys that are still on the street? Do guys respect him for doing life or was he excommunicated for saying he was gonna move against Gotti?
And secondly, what typically happens with made guys who get super long prison sentences? Does the crime family help them out with taking care of their actual family? Do they still get cuts of rackets they used to have?
Re: Frank Locascio
I don’t know what happen to LoCascio himself after his life sentence, but his son Salvatore later became a capo. Mafia members often maintain rackets while they’re behind bars for long periods of time. Examples include Gene Gotti, who held onto a loansharking book during a 30-year incarceration, or Dino Saracino, who delegated underlings to run his loansharking book through a 50-year sentence.Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:53 pm Locascio never ratted and took his life sentence. Gravano wrote in his book that Gotti humiliated Locascio in prison in front of several inmates, and Locascio told Sammy that if they beat their case he was gonna kill Gotti once they got out. Gotti got wind of this a couple years later and allegedly put a contract on Locascio.
My question is two part. First, what’s Locascio’s status today? Obviously he’s doing life so it’s not all that consequential but what is his reputation among guys that are still on the street? Do guys respect him for doing life or was he excommunicated for saying he was gonna move against Gotti?
And secondly, what typically happens with made guys who get super long prison sentences? Does the crime family help them out with taking care of their actual family? Do they still get cuts of rackets they used to have?
The Genovese family appears to have a policy of paying money to imprisoned family members, even those serving life. This policy probably contributes to their lack of informants compared to other families. The Colombo family have a similar policy, but this only appears to apply to the Persico family.
Re: Frank Locascio
for example Dennis deluca was collecting money from gambling operations to give to imprionsed colombo membersgohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:05 pmI don’t know what happen to LoCascio himself after his life sentence, but his son Salvatore later became a capo. Mafia members often maintain rackets while they’re behind bars for long periods of time. Examples include Gene Gotti, who held onto a loansharking book during a 30-year incarceration, or Dino Saracino, who delegated underlings to run his loansharking book through a 50-year sentence.Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:53 pm Locascio never ratted and took his life sentence. Gravano wrote in his book that Gotti humiliated Locascio in prison in front of several inmates, and Locascio told Sammy that if they beat their case he was gonna kill Gotti once they got out. Gotti got wind of this a couple years later and allegedly put a contract on Locascio.
My question is two part. First, what’s Locascio’s status today? Obviously he’s doing life so it’s not all that consequential but what is his reputation among guys that are still on the street? Do guys respect him for doing life or was he excommunicated for saying he was gonna move against Gotti?
And secondly, what typically happens with made guys who get super long prison sentences? Does the crime family help them out with taking care of their actual family? Do they still get cuts of rackets they used to have?
The Genovese family appears to have a policy of paying money to imprisoned family members, even those serving life. This policy probably contributes to their lack of informants compared to other families. The Colombo family have a similar policy, but this only appears to apply to the Persico family.
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Re: Frank Locascio
Yep, this “policy” has been alluded to in court papers for a few Colombos like Dennis DeLucia, Andrew Russo, and more. Good find Stroccos.Stroccos wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:08 pmfor example Dennis deluca was collecting money from gambling operations to give to imprionsed colombo membersgohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:05 pmI don’t know what happen to LoCascio himself after his life sentence, but his son Salvatore later became a capo. Mafia members often maintain rackets while they’re behind bars for long periods of time. Examples include Gene Gotti, who held onto a loansharking book during a 30-year incarceration, or Dino Saracino, who delegated underlings to run his loansharking book through a 50-year sentence.Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:53 pm Locascio never ratted and took his life sentence. Gravano wrote in his book that Gotti humiliated Locascio in prison in front of several inmates, and Locascio told Sammy that if they beat their case he was gonna kill Gotti once they got out. Gotti got wind of this a couple years later and allegedly put a contract on Locascio.
My question is two part. First, what’s Locascio’s status today? Obviously he’s doing life so it’s not all that consequential but what is his reputation among guys that are still on the street? Do guys respect him for doing life or was he excommunicated for saying he was gonna move against Gotti?
And secondly, what typically happens with made guys who get super long prison sentences? Does the crime family help them out with taking care of their actual family? Do they still get cuts of rackets they used to have?
The Genovese family appears to have a policy of paying money to imprisoned family members, even those serving life. This policy probably contributes to their lack of informants compared to other families. The Colombo family have a similar policy, but this only appears to apply to the Persico family.
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Re: Frank Locascio
That’s interesting. What really got me thinking about it was Mikey Scars. I don’t know how truthful he was being but he made it seem like no one was helping he or his family out once he got locked up. He said someone in the Gambinos told him to tell his wife to apply for food stamps if she needed money. He may be overselling it a bit to make cooperating seem more logical, but when he told the story on BBC it just seemed so far fetched that the guy that was in charge of construction for the Gambinos was basically told to pound sand by the family after he got pinched.
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I don’t know the full story about DiLeonardo but he’s a pretty well-respected source when it comes to Mafia stuff. I guess you have to bear in mind that this is DiLeonardo’s perception of what went down, and I bet if you asked Peter Gotti candidly, he’d tell a different story. I say this because I noticed when reading Larry Mazza’s autobiography, he wrote about how he was backstabbed in prison by Allie Persico, a co-defendant, through some legal strategy. Mazza cites that as a one of the reasons for flipping; “everyone was out for themselves,” etc. And that might be true on Mazza’s part, but his perception is different to reality because a lot of people were screwed way more than him during that timeframe, especially the Orena faction guys whose crews were taken away from them and rackets poached.Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:19 pm That’s interesting. What really got me thinking about it was Mikey Scars. I don’t know how truthful he was being but he made it seem like no one was helping he or his family out once he got locked up. He said someone in the Gambinos told him to tell his wife to apply for food stamps if she needed money. He may be overselling it a bit to make cooperating seem more logical, but when he told the story on BBC it just seemed so far fetched that the guy that was in charge of construction for the Gambinos was basically told to pound sand by the family after he got pinched.
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Yeah DiLeonardo made a point in his Q&A with the board to say something like “people thought I was stealing money from the family which was not true. I was the only one to turn in stock money”, which made me think that’s probably where the problem was. Someone thought he wasn’t kicking in his proper share.gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:34 pmI don’t know the full story about DiLeonardo but he’s a pretty well-respected source when it comes to Mafia stuff. I guess you have to bear in mind that this is DiLeonardo’s perception of what went down, and I bet if you asked Peter Gotti candidly, he’d tell a different story. I say this because I noticed when reading Larry Mazza’s autobiography, he wrote about how he was backstabbed in prison by Allie Persico, a co-defendant, through some legal strategy. Mazza cites that as a one of the reasons for flipping; “everyone was out for themselves,” etc. And that might be true on Mazza’s part, but his perception is different to reality because a lot of people were screwed way more than him during that timeframe, especially the Orena faction guys whose crews were taken away from them and rackets poached.Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:19 pm That’s interesting. What really got me thinking about it was Mikey Scars. I don’t know how truthful he was being but he made it seem like no one was helping he or his family out once he got locked up. He said someone in the Gambinos told him to tell his wife to apply for food stamps if she needed money. He may be overselling it a bit to make cooperating seem more logical, but when he told the story on BBC it just seemed so far fetched that the guy that was in charge of construction for the Gambinos was basically told to pound sand by the family after he got pinched.
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Re: Frank Locascio
——gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:34 pmI don’t know the full story about DiLeonardo but he’s a pretty well-respected source when it comes to Mafia stuff. I guess you have to bear in mind that this is DiLeonardo’s perception of what went down, and I bet if you asked Peter Gotti candidly, he’d tell a different story. I say this because I noticed when reading Larry Mazza’s autobiography, he wrote about how he was backstabbed in prison by Allie Persico, a co-defendant, through some legal strategy. Mazza cites that as a one of the reasons for flipping; “everyone was out for themselves,” etc. And that might be true on Mazza’s part, but his perception is different to reality because a lot of people were screwed way more than him during that timeframe, especially the Orena faction guys whose crews were taken away from them and rackets poached.Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:19 pm That’s interesting. What really got me thinking about it was Mikey Scars. I don’t know how truthful he was being but he made it seem like no one was helping he or his family out once he got locked up. He said someone in the Gambinos told him to tell his wife to apply for food stamps if she needed money. He may be overselling it a bit to make cooperating seem more logical, but when he told the story on BBC it just seemed so far fetched that the guy that was in charge of construction for the Gambinos was basically told to pound sand by the family after he got pinched.
Fellas, I don’t mean to sound like a “know it all”...... but I’m gonna say something about the question asked. Today, in this life (and for decades and decades before).... 99.9% of the guys get “ZERO” when they go to the can. And I don’t care if their associates, soldiers, skippers and sometime even “so Called” bosses.
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If you have legitimate business interests, typically that’s yours (only if they can’t grab it on you).... but street rackets? That’s usually absorbed by others soon after. Maybe you’ll get a piece for awhile if you have great influence and their afraid to screw you. But after awhile whatever is out there usually dissipates.
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And as far as the hierarchy being “generous” and “giving”
You financial help..... FORGET IT!!! You get shit! (And they’ll look to rob you too - if they can)!!
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Only if you have a “compare”, a brother, father, uncle or other close, close buddy, then maybe that one or two individuals will watch your back.
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Otherwise, it’s very dog eat dog! ..... always was!!
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I’ve only known two crews in my lifetime to take care of they’re guys in their “particular” regime! ..... and I highly respect them for it!..... (and trust me my friend - I’ve known a ton of guys.... I kid you not)!
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Most, are completely full of shit!.... period!
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And as far as Mikey Scars, you CAN believe what he said about them trying to screw him over...... especially that today, not many guys grew up close with one another like years past, don’t give a damn for you, or even have the extra cash to give you even if they wanted to!
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It’s really stupid because they encourage rats that way, but most of these guys are not that smart or level headed. And are completely “blinded” by the cash.
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And another thing, with the exception of a very few guys who make big money, most of the guys in the street - good fellows or not - are mostly broke, believe it or not. So their NOT helping anybody but themselves if they can!
And guys that have money.... are keeping it in their pockets!
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Especially with all the heartache the last 20-30 years from LE. Lawyers cost hundreds of thousands on big Rico cases, everybody’s getting knocked out of the box after a few years “earning”, and gotta watch their own backs.... there’s not too many guys being generous to others. When you have a top guy, a boss close to you that’s in great position, yeah maybe he’ll give a few close men to him some help (MAYBE).... but it’s usually short lived if at all. If only because THAT GUY, usually gets a kick in the balls and loses HIS spot within a few years.
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So even if you have a “good man”, before long he’s screwed too!....... and needs help himself!
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Bottom line: TODAY especially.... it’s a tough go!
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Bottom Line: ..... if you got money, then you got money! If your broke, then your broke!...... “when your broke, your a joke”! .......maxiestern11 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:08 pm——gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:34 pmI don’t know the full story about DiLeonardo but he’s a pretty well-respected source when it comes to Mafia stuff. I guess you have to bear in mind that this is DiLeonardo’s perception of what went down, and I bet if you asked Peter Gotti candidly, he’d tell a different story. I say this because I noticed when reading Larry Mazza’s autobiography, he wrote about how he was backstabbed in prison by Allie Persico, a co-defendant, through some legal strategy. Mazza cites that as a one of the reasons for flipping; “everyone was out for themselves,” etc. And that might be true on Mazza’s part, but his perception is different to reality because a lot of people were screwed way more than him during that timeframe, especially the Orena faction guys whose crews were taken away from them and rackets poached.Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:19 pm That’s interesting. What really got me thinking about it was Mikey Scars. I don’t know how truthful he was being but he made it seem like no one was helping he or his family out once he got locked up. He said someone in the Gambinos told him to tell his wife to apply for food stamps if she needed money. He may be overselling it a bit to make cooperating seem more logical, but when he told the story on BBC it just seemed so far fetched that the guy that was in charge of construction for the Gambinos was basically told to pound sand by the family after he got pinched.
Fellas, I don’t mean to sound like a “know it all”...... but I’m gonna say something about the question asked. Today, in this life (and for decades and decades before).... 99.9% of the guys get “ZERO” when they go to the can. And I don’t care if their associates, soldiers, skippers and sometime even “so Called” bosses.
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If you have legitimate business interests, typically that’s yours (only if they can’t grab it on you).... but street rackets? That’s usually absorbed by others soon after. Maybe you’ll get a piece for awhile if you have great influence and their afraid to screw you. But after awhile whatever is out there usually dissipates.
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And as far as the hierarchy being “generous” and “giving”
You financial help..... FORGET IT!!! You get shit! (And they’ll look to rob you too - if they can)!!
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Only if you have a “compare”, a brother, father, uncle or other close, close buddy, then maybe that one or two individuals will watch your back.
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Otherwise, it’s very dog eat dog! ..... always was!!
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I’ve only known two crews in my lifetime to take care of they’re guys in their “particular” regime! ..... and I highly respect them for it!..... (and trust me my friend - I’ve known a ton of guys.... I kid you not)!
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Most, are completely full of shit!.... period!
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And as far as Mikey Scars, you CAN believe what he said about them trying to screw him over...... especially that today, not many guys grew up close with one another like years past, don’t give a damn for you, or even have the extra cash to give you even if they wanted to!
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It’s really stupid because they encourage rats that way, but most of these guys are not that smart or level headed. And are completely “blinded” by the cash.
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And another thing, with the exception of a very few guys who make big money, most of the guys in the street - good fellows or not - are mostly broke, believe it or not. So their NOT helping anybody but themselves if they can!
And guys that have money.... are keeping it in their pockets!
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Especially with all the heartache the last 20-30 years from LE. Lawyers cost hundreds of thousands on big Rico cases, everybody’s getting knocked out of the box after a few years “earning”, and gotta watch their own backs.... there’s not too many guys being generous to others. When you have a top guy, a boss close to you that’s in great position, yeah maybe he’ll give a few close men to him some help (MAYBE).... but it’s usually short lived if at all. If only because THAT GUY, usually gets a kick in the balls and loses HIS spot within a few years.
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So even if you have a “good man”, before long he’s screwed too!....... and needs help himself!
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Bottom line: TODAY especially.... it’s a tough go!
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Re: Frank Locascio
Amershire, 1) typically they’ll get knocked down to soldier position as a formality but still retain the “respect” as a former boss....Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:53 pm Locascio never ratted and took his life sentence. Gravano wrote in his book that Gotti humiliated Locascio in prison in front of several inmates, and Locascio told Sammy that if they beat their case he was gonna kill Gotti once they got out. Gotti got wind of this a couple years later and allegedly put a contract on Locascio.
My question is two part. First, what’s Locascio’s status today? Obviously he’s doing life so it’s not all that consequential but what is his reputation among guys that are still on the street? Do guys respect him for doing life or was he excommunicated for saying he was gonna move against Gotti?
And secondly, what typically happens with made guys who get super long prison sentences? Does the crime family help them out with taking care of their actual family? Do they still get cuts of rackets they used to have?
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2) Frankie Loc is a VERY respected guy! Despite whatever Gotti May or may not have said or tried
3) first of all, I believe he’s got $$..... plus his son is out on the street so there is money coming in. Especially that he has Richie Martino making a bundle for him. But again, especially after all these years, I’ll bet NOBODY gives him a dime, if they ever did!..... ITS OVER!
Re: Frank Locascio
It seems Locascio will wind up dying behind bars. Like Mark Rieter and anyone tied to Gotti, the government is bitter towards them.
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Re: Frank Locascio
Not compensating guys who are doing long prison sentences while also allowing most informants and cooperators to live out in the open without fear of retribution seems to be a poor business model. That’s basically asking guys to flip.maxiestern11 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:08 pm——gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:34 pmI don’t know the full story about DiLeonardo but he’s a pretty well-respected source when it comes to Mafia stuff. I guess you have to bear in mind that this is DiLeonardo’s perception of what went down, and I bet if you asked Peter Gotti candidly, he’d tell a different story. I say this because I noticed when reading Larry Mazza’s autobiography, he wrote about how he was backstabbed in prison by Allie Persico, a co-defendant, through some legal strategy. Mazza cites that as a one of the reasons for flipping; “everyone was out for themselves,” etc. And that might be true on Mazza’s part, but his perception is different to reality because a lot of people were screwed way more than him during that timeframe, especially the Orena faction guys whose crews were taken away from them and rackets poached.Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:19 pm That’s interesting. What really got me thinking about it was Mikey Scars. I don’t know how truthful he was being but he made it seem like no one was helping he or his family out once he got locked up. He said someone in the Gambinos told him to tell his wife to apply for food stamps if she needed money. He may be overselling it a bit to make cooperating seem more logical, but when he told the story on BBC it just seemed so far fetched that the guy that was in charge of construction for the Gambinos was basically told to pound sand by the family after he got pinched.
Fellas, I don’t mean to sound like a “know it all”...... but I’m gonna say something about the question asked. Today, in this life (and for decades and decades before).... 99.9% of the guys get “ZERO” when they go to the can. And I don’t care if their associates, soldiers, skippers and sometime even “so Called” bosses.
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If you have legitimate business interests, typically that’s yours (only if they can’t grab it on you).... but street rackets? That’s usually absorbed by others soon after. Maybe you’ll get a piece for awhile if you have great influence and their afraid to screw you. But after awhile whatever is out there usually dissipates.
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And as far as the hierarchy being “generous” and “giving”
You financial help..... FORGET IT!!! You get shit! (And they’ll look to rob you too - if they can)!!
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Only if you have a “compare”, a brother, father, uncle or other close, close buddy, then maybe that one or two individuals will watch your back.
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Otherwise, it’s very dog eat dog! ..... always was!!
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I’ve only known two crews in my lifetime to take care of they’re guys in their “particular” regime! ..... and I highly respect them for it!..... (and trust me my friend - I’ve known a ton of guys.... I kid you not)!
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Most, are completely full of shit!.... period!
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And as far as Mikey Scars, you CAN believe what he said about them trying to screw him over...... especially that today, not many guys grew up close with one another like years past, don’t give a damn for you, or even have the extra cash to give you even if they wanted to!
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It’s really stupid because they encourage rats that way, but most of these guys are not that smart or level headed. And are completely “blinded” by the cash.
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And another thing, with the exception of a very few guys who make big money, most of the guys in the street - good fellows or not - are mostly broke, believe it or not. So their NOT helping anybody but themselves if they can!
And guys that have money.... are keeping it in their pockets!
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Especially with all the heartache the last 20-30 years from LE. Lawyers cost hundreds of thousands on big Rico cases, everybody’s getting knocked out of the box after a few years “earning”, and gotta watch their own backs.... there’s not too many guys being generous to others. When you have a top guy, a boss close to you that’s in great position, yeah maybe he’ll give a few close men to him some help (MAYBE).... but it’s usually short lived if at all. If only because THAT GUY, usually gets a kick in the balls and loses HIS spot within a few years.
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So even if you have a “good man”, before long he’s screwed too!....... and needs help himself!
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Bottom line: TODAY especially.... it’s a tough go!
When you said it’s only a few top guys making big money, that echoes what Michael Franzese said in an interview this year. He said when he was on the street, the Colombo’s had like 130 or so made guys, but he said only 15-20 were really bringing in and making good money, and the rest just made an average living.
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Lol, I hate to agree with that rat on anything, but yes that is true! And forget about the 15-20 making big money..... and most guys making an average living.... I can’t tell you how many complete “brokesters” there are in this life! Guys who are almost “poverty level”, grinding bullshit money, living hand to mouth, and jealous of anybody they perceive as doing good! ...... remember something I’ve gonna tell you. There are a lot of jerk-offs in the life.just NOT smart people, who whether legit or illegal, don’t know how to make two cents!..... it’s not that different than the legit world. Some guys are “stars”, some average, someAmershire_Ed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:42 pmNot compensating guys who are doing long prison sentences while also allowing most informants and cooperators to live out in the open without fear of retribution seems to be a poor business model. That’s basically asking guys to flip.maxiestern11 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:08 pm——gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:34 pmI don’t know the full story about DiLeonardo but he’s a pretty well-respected source when it comes to Mafia stuff. I guess you have to bear in mind that this is DiLeonardo’s perception of what went down, and I bet if you asked Peter Gotti candidly, he’d tell a different story. I say this because I noticed when reading Larry Mazza’s autobiography, he wrote about how he was backstabbed in prison by Allie Persico, a co-defendant, through some legal strategy. Mazza cites that as a one of the reasons for flipping; “everyone was out for themselves,” etc. And that might be true on Mazza’s part, but his perception is different to reality because a lot of people were screwed way more than him during that timeframe, especially the Orena faction guys whose crews were taken away from them and rackets poached.Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:19 pm That’s interesting. What really got me thinking about it was Mikey Scars. I don’t know how truthful he was being but he made it seem like no one was helping he or his family out once he got locked up. He said someone in the Gambinos told him to tell his wife to apply for food stamps if she needed money. He may be overselling it a bit to make cooperating seem more logical, but when he told the story on BBC it just seemed so far fetched that the guy that was in charge of construction for the Gambinos was basically told to pound sand by the family after he got pinched.
Fellas, I don’t mean to sound like a “know it all”...... but I’m gonna say something about the question asked. Today, in this life (and for decades and decades before).... 99.9% of the guys get “ZERO” when they go to the can. And I don’t care if their associates, soldiers, skippers and sometime even “so Called” bosses.
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If you have legitimate business interests, typically that’s yours (only if they can’t grab it on you).... but street rackets? That’s usually absorbed by others soon after. Maybe you’ll get a piece for awhile if you have great influence and their afraid to screw you. But after awhile whatever is out there usually dissipates.
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And as far as the hierarchy being “generous” and “giving”
You financial help..... FORGET IT!!! You get shit! (And they’ll look to rob you too - if they can)!!
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Only if you have a “compare”, a brother, father, uncle or other close, close buddy, then maybe that one or two individuals will watch your back.
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Otherwise, it’s very dog eat dog! ..... always was!!
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I’ve only known two crews in my lifetime to take care of they’re guys in their “particular” regime! ..... and I highly respect them for it!..... (and trust me my friend - I’ve known a ton of guys.... I kid you not)!
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Most, are completely full of shit!.... period!
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And as far as Mikey Scars, you CAN believe what he said about them trying to screw him over...... especially that today, not many guys grew up close with one another like years past, don’t give a damn for you, or even have the extra cash to give you even if they wanted to!
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It’s really stupid because they encourage rats that way, but most of these guys are not that smart or level headed. And are completely “blinded” by the cash.
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And another thing, with the exception of a very few guys who make big money, most of the guys in the street - good fellows or not - are mostly broke, believe it or not. So their NOT helping anybody but themselves if they can!
And guys that have money.... are keeping it in their pockets!
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Especially with all the heartache the last 20-30 years from LE. Lawyers cost hundreds of thousands on big Rico cases, everybody’s getting knocked out of the box after a few years “earning”, and gotta watch their own backs.... there’s not too many guys being generous to others. When you have a top guy, a boss close to you that’s in great position, yeah maybe he’ll give a few close men to him some help (MAYBE).... but it’s usually short lived if at all. If only because THAT GUY, usually gets a kick in the balls and loses HIS spot within a few years.
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So even if you have a “good man”, before long he’s screwed too!....... and needs help himself!
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Bottom line: TODAY especially.... it’s a tough go!
When you said it’s only a few top guys making big money, that echoes what Michael Franzese said in an interview this year. He said when he was on the street, the Colombo’s had like 130 or so made guys, but he said only 15-20 were really bringing in and making good money, and the rest just made an average living.
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And remember something else, NOBODY gives you NOTHING!..... understand me good! In fact, it’s the reverse, the guy above you expects you to do for him!!! He ain’t giving you shit!..... cause the guy above him expects the same!..... it’s like a big pyramid scheme when I really think about it! Lol
Re: Frank Locascio
That would have been something if they both beat their case. Both Gotti and Loc seemed like and are LCN down to the core. Was Loc already a capo under Big Paulie.
Re: Frank Locascio
The reason why the Mafia today operates on this business model, as you put it, is because the Mafia operates on selfishness. People avoid paying money wherever possible. People take what they want. It is an organization of criminals who are out for themselves.Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:42 pm Not compensating guys who are doing long prison sentences while also allowing most informants and cooperators to live out in the open without fear of retribution seems to be a poor business model. That’s basically asking guys to flip.
The Genovese family had the long-term strategy, which has proven successful, of supporting incarcerated members.
For the Colombo family, the policy is not universal and is only diligently enforced when it comes to the imprisoned Persico family. In that case, tribute flows into Persicos' commissary accounts and there is an annual Christmas payment which appears to be mandatory.
Acting boss Tommy Gioeli, however, was also the recipient of tribute money once he was incarcerated, and that seemed to be mandatory too, indicating that there is some sort of "protocol" for incarcerated acting bosses.
Acting boss Joel Cacace actually had some of his rackets poached, such as his extortion of bookies, by others.
Capo Sonny Franzese received money when he was incarcerated, but that seems to be general tribute money that he was entitled to as a caporegime, a rank which he retained during a short stretch behind bars.
Given his relative low-level in the Colombo family, soldier Dino Saracino was not "officially" given tribute when he was inside, but he outlined a plan for three associates - Tommy Gallo, Tommy McLaughlin and his wife, April - to continue his loansharking operation while he was incarcerated. This plan wasn't adhered to; Anthony Russo, using proper Mafia protocol, "claimed" associates Gallo & McLaughlin as his own, giving him de facto control over the loansharking operation. For some reason, another associate, Larry Sessa, assumed control over the loansharking book and continued to send tribute money to Saracino, so that's a weird situation.