Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

[NickleCity]

The book Iced indicated Papalia worked for Galante in Montreal

After his release from jail in 1951, Papalia headed to Montreal where he used his
connections to land a job as an enforcer for Carmine Galante, working under the command of Luigi Greco.It was in Montreal that Papalia cemented his credentials with important mafia figures and picked up invaluable career experience through his merciless extortion of professional gamblers and shady stockbrokers.

According to writer Adrian Humphreys, sometime in the mid-1950s, Papalia was called back to Ontario by Stefano Magaddino and inducted into his family. By this time, Galante had firmly incorporated Montreal into Joseph Bonanno’s orbit and Magaddino was building up his own Canadian base in Southern Ontario. While the Buffalo boss already had the three dons and other mafiosi running rackets for him in Ontario, Magaddino required “a young, firm, hands-on boss to move the organization into rich, new areas of growth.” John Papalia would be one of his top selections. “

[johnny_scootch]

So is this about right?

I actually laughed out loud. Well done.

ps rocco luppino is a captain

[Wiseguy]

You’re doing an astoundingly good job of not letting any facts get in the way of your ‘suspicions’.

It's sort of like the sun coming up every morning. After a while, you start to trust it.

Off the top of my head here are 2 quick thoughts about possible members that were not identified by the FBI in that ‘97 chart.

1. Joseph Pezzino. He died in on 6/2/2000. His nephew William Ianaccone indicates his uncle was a made man in the Buffalo Mob. In the following recording William talks to his cousin about his uncle Joe and text verifies Pezzino’s date of death https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-HiYh_wybo#menu. In the following recording Betty Pezzino comes right out and says Joe was in the Mob. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfx2SkvSUKc The Pezzinos are alleged to have stollen money from Ianaccone’s Father, washed it in Reno, and invested it in Samual’s Grande Mannor. Joey Todaro III had his reception there in 93.

2. Andy Aiello. He was 43 when busted with that heroin shipment in ‘83. From what I was told he was out mid-nineties. I couldn’t find a obit for him, but I am pretty sure he has passed. That being said he would have only been 57 when the ‘97 chart came out.

That 1997 chart was from the Hamilton PD, not the FBI.

buffalo family is at this point essentially a canadian organization with remnants in the states

I'm still waiting for you to back up this statement but you just keep repeating it as if that alone will make it true.

Prediction: there will not be a general, satisfiable consensus reached in this debate.

What incentive is there to drag on with this circle jerk? Wishful thinking in the hopes of changing people's minds or a determination to 'win' the discussion? There are certain individuals here absolutely adamant to have the final word, which goes beyond the subject at hand and has a personal touch to it.

Based on the history of this debate that has been going on for six months or so it is safe to conclude that most if not all participants have already made up their mind from the start and we're a bunch of stubborn assholes.

The only way to end this is a reaffirmation by the FBI that Buffalo mobsters are no longer in any way involved in organized crime and that there is no 'evidence' of interaction between mobsters on both sides of the border. That would mean that they consider Violi's statements dismisable, which is good enough for me to concede. But I just don't see this happening.

On the other hand, more information about the activity and interaction of mobsters in Buffalo and Southern Ontario would lend enough credence to an existing criminal enterprise. Another case made against these individuals may even convince the naysayers but there's a good change this won't happen either.

So I'll repeat the cliché, it's a never-ending circle jerk.

Oh, there will be a consensus. Just not anytime soon. There used to be people claiming families in Milwaukee, St Louis, Kanas City, San Francisco, and New Orleans were still around. Once enough time passes that even the most stubborn have to change their view on Buffalo and Detroit, we'll get to the same point.

[Moscone65]

Capitano soldier, maybe capo? Butchie bifulco might be a capo or consigliere?

[Moscone65]

Bobby panaro might also be up there?

[Moscone65]

Supposedly Vic Sansanese is or was of recently, consigliere

[Lupara]

Oh, there will be a consensus. Just not anytime soon. There used to be people claiming families in Milwaukee, St Louis, Kanas City, San Francisco, and New Orleans were still around. Once enough time passes that even the most stubborn have to change their view on Buffalo and Detroit, we'll get to the same point.

Agreed. In time you'll accept that you can't force your opinion on people. You'll learn the more you try to push it, the stubborn others will be.

[Angelo Santino]

Where did the info come from that Rocco Luppino is a captain?

I can add DiFulco and Capiano (?), Sansanese and Panaro as members.

[Wiseguy]

Agreed. In time you'll accept that you can't force your opinion on people. You'll learn the more you try to push it, the stubborn others will be.

You mean the FBI's (and other NY law enforcement) opinion? Don't need to take my word for it.

Gotta love how you guys keep trying to frame this.

[Frank]

Hasn't it already come out or known that Papalia was up in Montreal early in his career, I believe under Cotroni. Maybe he has been misidentified as being Buffalo.Maybe he was one of the men that Joe Bonanno had in Ontario.

What's interesting is that Cotroni was in a position to threaten to kill Papalia who in turn acknowledged that he knew Cotroni was capable of doing so. So he was for whatever reason subservient to Montreal. It's strange that a capo from another family could threaten a member of a different family. But I thought the feds had him listed as a Buffalo member. If that is misbelief on my part, feel free to let me know.

I'm not saying your wrong at all.That is what everyone believes. Manning indicated that Papalia kicked up to Rizzuto- Bonanno. So with Papalia being in Montreal for awhile, before returning to Ontario, I just am just seeing if it fits that he was Bonanno and not Buffalo. Remember there is info of Joe Bonanno starting a crew in Ontario. On one hand if he was made with Buffalo, why was he kicking up to Rizzuto. I'm not certain Manning came right out and said that Buffalo met with the Musitano before and after the hit. But if it was Buffalo, it doesn't make sense that Musitanos became allies if the Rizzutos.

[eboli]

Where did the info come from that Rocco Luppino is a captain?

I can add DiFulco and Capiano (?), Sansanese and Panaro as members.

Chris, here's the list on confirmed living members we did a couple of days ago, if you missed it.

Domenico Violi
Giuseppe Violi
Rocco Lupino
Salvatore Agro
Joseph Albano
Frank Bifulco
Victor Cannarozzo Jr
Louis Manzo
Alfonso Napoli
Robert Panaro
Frank Perna
Victor Sansonese
Joseph Todaro Jr
Natale Luppino
FNU Brindinsi

[scagghiuni]

I'm still waiting for you to back up this statement but you just keep repeating it as if that alone will make it true.

it's just a logic conseguence of what's happening in canada, dom violi underboss, all the new cerimonies done over there, people asked to be member (cece luppino), murders, drugs etc.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Oh, there will be a consensus. Just not anytime soon. There used to be people claiming families in Milwaukee, St Louis, Kanas City, San Francisco, and New Orleans were still around. Once enough time passes that even the most stubborn have to change their view on Buffalo and Detroit, we'll get to the same point.

Once enough time passes we will be able to say the same about the Genovese’s.
Who’s arguing Buffalo will be around forever? Or even viable in 10years, or 5? Nobody here that I’ve read.

Whether they have a structure and were functional in a capacity in 2017 is the dispute.

[Lupara]

Agreed. In time you'll accept that you can't force your opinion on people. You'll learn the more you try to push it, the stubborn others will be.

You mean the FBI's (and other NY law enforcement) opinion? Don't need to take my word for it.

Gotta love how you guys keep trying to frame this.

And you don't seem to understand why, which is exactly what I'm trying to outline.

There are people here who converse with you in a more serious manner than I do and yet you still react the same towards them.

[Lupara]

Hasn't it already come out or known that Papalia was up in Montreal early in his career, I believe under Cotroni. Maybe he has been misidentified as being Buffalo.Maybe he was one of the men that Joe Bonanno had in Ontario.

What's interesting is that Cotroni was in a position to threaten to kill Papalia who in turn acknowledged that he knew Cotroni was capable of doing so. So he was for whatever reason subservient to Montreal. It's strange that a capo from another family could threaten a member of a different family. But I thought the feds had him listed as a Buffalo member. If that is misbelief on my part, feel free to let me know.

I'm not saying your wrong at all.That is what everyone believes. Manning indicated that Papalia kicked up to Rizzuto- Bonanno. So with Papalia being in Montreal for awhile, before returning to Ontario, I just am just seeing if it fits that he was Bonanno and not Buffalo. Remember there is info of Joe Bonanno starting a crew in Ontario. On one hand if he was made with Buffalo, why was he kicking up to Rizzuto. I'm not certain Manning came right out and said that Buffalo met with the Musitano before and after the hit. But if it was Buffalo, it doesn't make sense that Musitanos became allies if the Rizzutos.

And I'm not saying you're wrong too. I'm here to learn.

That being said, it was my understanding that it was generally believed Papalia was with Buffalo. Most authors believd this too, such as Adrian Humphreys, Peter Edwards and, Stephen Schneider. Manning recently brought up he was with Montreal and in effect with the Bonannos.