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NickleCity wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:07 pmAccording to Bebe at the Buffalo News authorities estimated the number of members at 100 in 1985 and 80 when his article was written in Nov of 1987.

80-100 in the 1980s? Not a chance.

Who's "everyone?" And what exactly is Hudson's "agenda?" Whatever you think of the paper, it's citing the FBI as a source. So it's really the FBI we're talking about. See the 2006 chart that I've posted above. Would you rather believe what Hudson said the FBI did to the chart or...

Who's "everyone?" And what exactly is Hudson's "agenda?" Whatever you think of the paper, it's citing the FBI as a source. So it's really the FBI we're talking about.

They had 49 in 1993. 1985 had 72, but included Rochester, which the '93 had separate (31 members). The 1960s lists can have accuracy issues, but I don't have that number off the top of my head. I also can't attest to the accuracy of Rochester members being recognized as Rochester members, Buffalo m...

How big of impact did the decline of the other midwest families have on the Outfit? And vice versa - With Chicago in decline - things like "Tulsa King" series seems plausible Can we tie the decline to a certain boss?? I know DiFronzo wasn't fond of making people but I believe Chicago was ...

You mentioned that the bank absorbs the losses. What happens when a customer welches on a debt? Does the runner/bookie simply report that a customer has gone radio silent and they can't collect their losses? I understand "losses" to mean payments to bettors who win. By welsh, I assume you...

In his book, Gambino associate Andrew DiDonato (who was around the Corozzo/DiMaria crew) said the mob usually works with guys that owe because getting heavy over a debt usually meant losing a customer that you knew would have money again and find somewhere else to bet. Of course, if a player ran aw...

In his book, Gambino associate Andrew DiDonato (who was around the Corozzo/DiMaria crew) said the mob usually works with guys that owe because getting heavy over a debt usually meant losing a customer that you knew would have money again and find somewhere else to bet. Of course, if a player ran awa...

Good post Stroccos, I remember reading about that. Tell me if you disagree, but it seems the Mob - when it comes to things like bookmaking, loansharking - they prey on the idea of violence, the scent of it, while often being incredibly reluctant or unable to enforce it. You have to wonder how long ...

Promoting gambling is a charge? As opposed to fanduel, draftkings and all the other sites that are promoting it on every medium you use to watch and or listen to something. Fanduel and dk have commercials going 24/7 on the radio stations like wfan here in tristate area. Its terrible. I agree. Not r...

Promoting gambling is a charge? As opposed to fanduel, draftkings and all the other sites that are promoting it on every medium you use to watch and or listen to something. Fanduel and dk have commercials going 24/7 on the radio stations like wfan here in tristate area. Its terrible. I agree. Not r...

While a usurious loan can be independent of gambling, I would imagine they also can come in the form of, for the sake of reference, what we saw with David Scatino and JT Dolan in The Sopranos. Both had a gambling debt they couldn't pay. The debt was turned into a loan, of sorts, where instead of bei...

also shared a portion with other associates in the Bronx

Hmm, wonder who those could be?

Credit to JohnnyS for first posting this in the Bonanno Mob Charts section NCDA Investigation Busts Illegal Online Sports Betting Operation Five indicted – including a former New York City Police Officer – for promoting gambling and conspiracy charges after 14-month surveillance operation MINEOLA, N...

I'll give Scott credit for the mea culpa. Whether it's legacy or new media, it seems the temptation to be first often overpowers the need for accuracy. Funny thing is, considering Manna's age and health, would could be back to these threads with him really dead in a month.