Vito Guzzo, Jr. Being Recruited Hard By Mancuso.

[MoLarryCurly]

There’s no trading what is this monopoly?

Trades absolutely do happen tho it’s normally with associates.

Yes with associates. He’s not an associate.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Certain people are still interested in being Mafia members if the Colombos offered to make him why refuse? Guzzo being a made man would help him when he gets out of prison. Maybe once he was released he asked Mancuso to be transfered in hopes of more money and respect after 28 years in prison. Mancuso will compensate them in some way because nothing is free. Don't broke the balls.

I think?

My man C.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Yes with associates. He’s not an associate.

Nobodies suggesting buttons are getting traded Mo.
The possibility on the table is that Guzzo's prison induction isnt recognized which would render him an associate, and therfor up for possible movement.

[AAA-DK]

the moment he got released was filmed:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0ohoAdrzGOA

[furiofromnaples]

Can anyone translate wtf furio just said?

I apologize, sometimes I write in a rush and make mistakes and since there are a lot of grammar Nazis here, I'll try to express myself better.

Since in prison it's better to be a made man than an associate, and that the Colombos had already made in prison Fat Larry Sessa another wiseguy and that Guzzo certainly didn't know how much he could get out, he thought better with the Colombos than nothing.
Then since a wiseguy who did 28 years in prison without flips is a rare thing in the 2025 mafia, Guzzo will surely go with the Bonannos because it's certainly better for him and Mancuso will give the Colombos a larger share of some racket in common to facilitate the transfer.
I hope I was clear.

[chin_gigante]

If they really did transfer him to another Family within New York it would be the first time this is known to have happened since possibly Jake Columbo in the 1950s and we don't have many other examples even before that.

Joe Campanella makes a reference to a possible Colombo-Bonanno transfer during his time as a member:

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[bluehouse]

I didn't know Anthony Guzzo's background that was surprising to read because I thought John Pennisi always talked about how Anthony isn't a tough guy.

I don't remember him saying that about him. But he talked about him lying a lot.

He's made some comments about Anthony making himself scarce when it came time to assault someone and having excuses for why he couldn't carry them out. I think he mentioned once he lied about stabbing a guy he never even touched.

AT that point anthony guzo was in his 50s once you reach that age u dont care about beating people up let the younger guys do it

[johnny_scootch]

AT that point anthony guzo was in his 50s once you reach that age u dont care about beating people up let the younger guys do it

50 years old is the younger guys hahahahaa

The possibility on the table is that Guzzo's prison induction isnt recognized which would render him an associate, and therfor up for possible movement.

All the available info suggests that Vito is 100% recognized as a member.

We know the Colombo’s sanctioned his prison ceremony and we know that Guzzo was introducing his brother to members from all families as a friend of ours in the months following. Doesn’t seem like anyone had a problem with it and I can’t think of any grounds there would even be to invalidate it.

Besides one off hand comment from Joe DiNapoli saying the Lucchese don’t have to recognize him there’s nothing suggesting he isn’t recognized. You think DiNapoli was aware the Lucchese family had made a guy in prison also?

[SonnyBlackstein]

Johnny, believe me I'm not arguing FOR Burnstein. I'm simply trying to Steel man the argument.

We know multiple ceremonies have been invalidated and if ever there was a candidate it's a prison shower one. That's my only point.


As an aside I'm actually quite surprised Guzzo accepted the offer from the colombos as they clipped his father and he was clearly upset about it. Hell Ralph only died a few years ago. He went from trying to clip Ralph to being his sworn brother. Surprised he didn't push for another borgata.
And I think this is different than Bruno as Bruno was already made when they clipped Sonny Red, Guzzo wasn't.

[B.]

If they really did transfer him to another Family within New York it would be the first time this is known to have happened since possibly Jake Columbo in the 1950s and we don't have many other examples even before that.

Joe Campanella makes a reference to a possible Colombo-Bonanno transfer during his time as a member:


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Interesting, never heard of Russo and he's not on our list in the charts section. Wonder if there is more info about him and a possible transfer, or if Campanella misspoke.

One modern transfer that involves an NYC Family is Sal Lombardo who was a made member of the Montelepre Family living in the US who eventually transferred to the Gambinos in the 2010s. They used the traditional letter from his boss and everything.

Some guys who have transferred out of NYC Families in the modern era would be Sal Catalano and Ignazio Ingrassia. Catalano must have transferred out of the Bonannos when he returned to Sicily as he was ID'd as the capomandamento in that recent extortion case and I suspect he was originally made in Ciminna anyway. Ingrassia too was first made in Sicily, transferred to the Gambinos, then transferred back to Ciaculli where he became consigliere before his death.

Even though these aren't transfers between NYC Families, they still involve transferring in/out of NYC.

[chin_gigante]

As an aside I'm actually quite surprised Guzzo accepted the offer from the colombos as they clipped his father and he was clearly upset about it. Hell Ralph only died a few years ago. He went from trying to clip Ralph to being his sworn brother. Surprised he didn't push for another borgata.
And I think this is different than Bruno as Bruno was already made when they clipped Sonny Red, Guzzo wasn't.

Pennisi says that one of the reasons Guzzo wanted to get made was because he didn't like being excused when members wanted to talk to each other in prison. He says the prospect of being rewarded with membership was what motivated Guzzo to intervene on Ralph DeLeo's behalf.

[Wiseguy]

the moment he got released was filmed:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0ohoAdrzGOA

Certainly looks the part.

[johnny_scootch]

As an aside I'm actually quite surprised Guzzo accepted the offer from the colombos as they clipped his father and he was clearly upset about it.

From the way Pennisi told the story the Colombo’s didn’t make him an offer. Guzzo pushed for it himself from the inside. He saw an opportunity to get made by DeLeo who had officiated ceremonies for the Colombo’s in the past and took it. At that time DeLeo was being shunned in prison with rumors he was a rat and Guzzo helped to clear them up by getting approval for DeLeo to straighten him out.

[Kash]

Has there been any valid reason why the Colombo’s would be willing to give Vito up?

If they made him in the can and stuck by him, why would they even consider letting him go? He’s clearly bringing boatloads of respect and street cred to any sit down he goes to no matter what crew he sits down with so why would they just give him up

IF it was true, and that's a HUGE if, it'd obviously be an exchange. The Colombo's wouldn't just give him away.

It’s a 3-way deal. Bonannos get Guzzo. Colombos get rights to Peter Tucchio. Philly gets a deal on seeded rolls for Joey’s Cheesesteak joint.

[SonnyBlackstein]

We need Tucchio playing cards.