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Franzese takes the piss when it comes to making a living out of leaving the life. Can't say I blame him. He knows how to make a lot of money.

FriendofFamily wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:51 pm OK so Michael read the FBI document that I sent him of his interview on 2/22/89 that was transcribed on 2/23/89. He made no comment about it. As I said earlier I really don't expect an answer - otherwise, he would have answered it yesterday when he read it.

You will have to pay him a grand before he comments. ...

OK so Michael read the FBI document that I sent him of his interview on 2/22/89 that was transcribed on 2/23/89. He made no comment about it. As I said earlier I really don't expect an answer - otherwise, he would have answered it yesterday when he read it.

So we have several scenarios playing out on this so let's list them: Inductees vs. Attendance/NOT Inductees:

Michael Franzese in February 22nd, 1989 FBI Interview:

Vincent "Jimmy" Angellina
Vito Guzzo
John Minerva
Jerry Clemenza aka Jerry "Brown"
Sal Miciotta aka Sally Misciotta (Franzese spelling)

Sal Miciotta says Joesph Peraino Jr. was there [was he (Peraino) inducted?] and currently Michael Franzese doesn't deny him (Peraino) of being Inducted that night.

The LIst that I gave Michael Franzese was from what Pogo gave me:

Vincent "Jimmy" Angellina
Vito Guzzo
John Minerva
Joseph Peraino Jr.
Sal Miciotta aka Sally Misciotta (Franzese spelling)

Michael only denied that Sal Miciotta wasn't Inducted with him. So he seems to be good with Peraino being Inducted. So if you put any logic to this - with just what was laid out - you would conclude that the list would be:

Vincent "Jimmy" Angellina
Vito Guzzo
John Minerva
Jerry Clemenza aka Jerry "Brown"
Joseph Peraino Jr.

Now whether he will ever confirm it to the BHF - I seriously doubt it. I think some of you put forth the more logical explanation that he is distancing himself from Sal Miciotta and the implication of conspiracy murder of driving the car in the 11 pages of the smoking Gun article.

I wouldn't implicate myself either in a conspiracy murder case and if you read what Michael said in all the Pages was very careful - like I never shot anyone with a gun. Hey he has managed to stay out of jail this long - he has all the ammunition that he needs to write or rewrite history that best suits him.

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:03 pm Franzese certainly doesn't want to admit to participating in any murders, but he at least unconsciously wants everyone to believe he has. Everytime he gets asked about it he always comes out with something like, 'You know, when you're a part of that life you see a lot of violence...', or some other non-answer.

Bill Bonanno was the same way. Can't think of others offhand, but it seems to be typical in sensationalized interviews with anyone who was even on the periphery of the life: "We solve our problems with a gun," said deadpan while the interviewer acts shocked.

Franzese certainly doesn't want to admit to participating in any murders, but he at least unconsciously wants everyone to believe he has. Everytime he gets asked about it he always comes out with something like, 'You know, when you're a part of that life you see a lot of violence...', or some other non-answer.

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:18 pm Maybe he is trying to distance himself from Mciotta since Miciotta implicated him in a murder. Contradicting Franzeses claims that he never took part in one.


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/rever ... hbo?page=5

That's the unfortunate thing about informants and witnesses. Aside from honest mistakes (like his insistence on 1975 being the year of induction) and some of the more ridiculous lies some guys have told to make themselves more important/knowledgeable/etc., they will occasionally change details or otherwise tell relatively unimportant lies over personal issues.

Maybe he is trying to distance himself from Mciotta since Miciotta implicated him in a murder. Contradicting Franzeses claims that he never took part in one.


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/rever ... hbo?page=5

Thanks for this. Not sure where I got the names I listed from.

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:36 pm Here it is. He does name Sal Miciotta as well as Minerva, Angellina, Guzzo and Jerry Clemenza. Miciotta's debriefings alsonames Periano Jr as being inducted in this ceremony as well. Thanks to JD for this info and link.


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That is very interesting. So I wonder if Michael is now saying that Jerry Clemenza was the other guy that he is thinking of and why he told me that Sal Miciotta was not inducted but that he flipped. BTW Michael Franzese still spells Miciotta like this "Misciotta". Maybe that is what he was told or that is more in the pronunciation of his name. I have to see what he says about this document if I get an answer back.

Here it is. He does name Sal Miciotta as well as Minerva, Angellina, Guzzo and Jerry Clemenza. Miciotta's debriefings alsonames Periano Jr as being inducted in this ceremony as well. Thanks to JD for this info and link.


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/defa ... nzese2.gif

I'm 100% sure I've seen a mary ferrell document that listed who was made with Franzese directly sourced from Franzese himself. I know it listed Vito Guzzo and I'm sure there was another guy named Michael as well. I've tried searching MaryFerrell but I've used up my free searches before I could find it.

FriendofFamily wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:27 am

Snakes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:46 am I think these were the 5 named but I could be wrong as I don't have the book with me: Vincent Angelina, Joseph DeDomenico, Thomas Ocera, Joseph Peraino Jr, "Fat Tony" (Anthony Regina?)

Since Vincent "Jimmy" Angelina and Joseph Peraino Jr. were already named. That would leave the other three as possibilities as a name replacement for Miciotta: Now are any of the other three that you mentioned DEAD?

Obviously we will have to see who is named in the Book. Oh Research Committee.....

Yes:

DeDomenico was killed in 1987
Ocera was killed in 1989
Regina was killed in 1983

Snakes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:46 am I think these were the 5 named but I could be wrong as I don't have the book with me: Vincent Angelina, Joseph DeDomenico, Thomas Ocera, Joseph Peraino Jr, "Fat Tony" (Anthony Regina?)

Since Vincent "Jimmy" Angelina and Joseph Peraino Jr. were already named. That would leave the other three as possibilities as a name replacement for Miciotta: Now are any of the other three that you mentioned DEAD?

Obviously we will have to see who is named in the Book. Oh Research Committee.....

I think these were the 5 named but I could be wrong as I don't have the book with me: Vincent Angelina, Joseph DeDomenico, Thomas Ocera, Joseph Peraino Jr, "Fat Tony" (Anthony Regina?)