by John W » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:51 pm
JIGGS wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:07 pm
Cheech wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:24 am
JIGGS wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:49 am
Cheech wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:27 am
5. Interesting Leo and Prisco were Purple and by all accounts got along. now he comes home and hes on the outs.
Because they weren't Purple.
I just listened to them tapes on that blog and found it ironic. Everybody knew who the Priscos were. When he says they (Gambinos) ruined the life because of their ego and implying the flashiness, it the pot calling the kettle black. Angelo was the "Johnny Boy" ( Gotti Sr) of his domain during the period the DEA says there was a "Purple Gang."
Everybody knew who the Priscos were.
I lived in East Harlem my entire life until only recently, the fucks. You know when I first heard the name Daniel Leo? When Capeci introduced him as new acting boss all them years ago in the Sun. Before that? Never.
Leo was invisible. Everybody knew the Priscos.
Angelo was in and out of prison. Like he said in them tapes. Since he was a kid. From what Jerry wrote about him Leo was barely on the local cops radar much less the Feds before he got outed as the acting. Dollars to donuts, Leo steered clear of Angelo Prisco. Who was every bit as "loud" as John Gotti was back in the day. I'm not the least bit surprised that the powers that be "distanced" Angelo from his crew. I also wouldn't be surprised if it came from Cirillo, who acted on the Chin's say. Angelo was "hot." Especially after that pardon by the finook governor of the state.
That wikipedia entry for Purple Gang is a joke. Whoever wrote it is really dumb and drawing straws. The only Italian American gang in E. Harlem were the Red Wings. How come nobody writes about them? That was the real farm team for the Harlem Lucchese-Genovese generation. Purple Gang is make believe like the Westies.
JIGGS
thanks Jiggs. Looking back any Giglio photo Angelo is pretty easy to spot if you know what i mean. what youre saying makes sense to me
X-ZAC!
I'm pretty surprised at Capeci. Who has expressed in the not so distant far away past that he is a stickler for accuracy and was always "outing" Ernie Volkman for being more of a used car salesman than a tireless investor in analyzing the data available on organized crime. That he would legitimize a East Harlem "Purple Gang."
It really comes down to your own common sense. Picture this. It's 1969 through 1971. I'm moving "H" on 122nd between 2nd & 3rd, 118 bet. 2nd & 3rd, 119th between 3rd & Lexington and run a shooting gallery on 110th Street & Lex, a basement on 116 bet. 3rd & Lex, and move the money to a candy store on 2nd, an apartment above it, and an apt. on 125th and 1st. A whole mini-network of distro. Baggers, counters, runners, dealers, handful of enforcers, recon, spotters. The Priscos are doing the same thing and are also making themselves available as muscle (extortion). The Meldisch's are known as enforcers and are robbing dealers who give up runners who tell them where the goods are. Frankie Caserta puts in money and gets a high total of points on a package. That package is robbed. I'm the guy whose goods was robbed and who owes Frankie his money. I tell Frankie I know who can find them. If he helps out, I owe him for the package and for this. He reaches out to his old man who in turn reaches out to who Rudy P. and Angelo are "with." They come in, explain the Meldisch's value, if any. A deal gets made. The brothers keep the "H" on the condition they move it, give me my cut, so I can pay back Frankie's investment, plus extra. Now if anyone ever fucks with my shit or encroaches on any of the spots, I can call Caserta, who calls Rudy, who tells Angelo to sic the Meldisch's on them. Let them move it, give the Prisco's and Caserta their cut, and I get my money.
It's all a fictionalized narrative but its based on a real scenario. Within that narrative I never meet the Priscos or the Meldisch's. Frankie is the buffer. For the Meldisch's, the buffer are the Priscos. They don't know Caserta or me. In this context Frankie holds all the power. He can roll on me and the Priscos. There's no buffer in between and can link all to a conspiracy.
Why the fuck would anyone in any of those positions, and within that small network, be thinking "Let's call ourselves the "Purple Gang?" Nobody thinks like that, see? Not on that level. You're not trying to brand yourself, least of all with people you barely know, are not your loyal friends, are connected to you by way of convenience. For all I know Frankie could have been in cahoots with the Priscos. Because that's how they make their money. You're not trying to tag yourself and be lumped together with a psycho like Joe the Russian. (Joseph Meldisch's nick.). So where does that shit come from? It's the media. Who in cahoots with the keystone coppers trying to get "upped" in their own pyramid structures, they run with this whole notion of a gang, naming the players illustrated in my above scenario, that's in line with this "Black Mafia" BS they were spinning during that era, and make the group into some organized threat to Cosa Nostra, but who also works with them and do contract killings, etc.
No Italians branded themselves publicly. Made or not. "Blue Thunder" was the brainchild of a wholesale broker. Not who supplied Vinny Gorgeous.
It was the Mulinyan who started the whole branding of junk. Giving it exotic names. "Sexy Lady," "Super Fly," "Foxy Brown," "Good Times," shit like that. The earliest guy I can recall was the guy that no one has managed to track down to this day. Matthews. If that was even his real name. If he's even still breathing.
Erase Purple Gang from the pantheon on N.Y. mob lore. Unless someone can show hard proof that there was such an entity, committing crimes they've been heralded with, and thru criminal prosecutions charging "Purple Gang" as a continuing illegal enterprise, then it's as fugazy as it gets. I mean c'mon if this was a real peppers and eggs group, the J. Edgar Hoovers and junk task force would have built a case in no time. The same way the DEA was all over Gigi the Whale, Matty Madonna, Louis Cirillo, Ernie Boy, Angelo Ruggiero, Gene, Carneglia, etc. They busted the Demeo crew, Coonan & Co., Jimmy Burke and Vario crew, Bergin crew, etc. How come the Purple Gang was never brought to justice? Because there was no PGN. It was aaaall a dream.
JIGGS
Jiggs I read this and thought of you straight away mate
https://www.thedailybeast.com/will-new- ... ese-family[quote=JIGGS post_id=86642 time=1534622841 user_id=5630]
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5. Interesting Leo and Prisco were Purple and by all accounts got along. now he comes home and hes on the outs.
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Because they weren't Purple.
I just listened to them tapes on that blog and found it ironic. Everybody knew who the Priscos were. When he says they (Gambinos) ruined the life because of their ego and implying the flashiness, it the pot calling the kettle black. Angelo was the "Johnny Boy" ( Gotti Sr) of his domain during the period the DEA says there was a "Purple Gang."
Everybody knew who the Priscos were.
I lived in East Harlem my entire life until only recently, the fucks. You know when I first heard the name Daniel Leo? When Capeci introduced him as new acting boss all them years ago in the Sun. Before that? Never.
Leo was invisible. Everybody knew the Priscos.
Angelo was in and out of prison. Like he said in them tapes. Since he was a kid. From what Jerry wrote about him Leo was barely on the local cops radar much less the Feds before he got outed as the acting. Dollars to donuts, Leo steered clear of Angelo Prisco. Who was every bit as "loud" as John Gotti was back in the day. I'm not the least bit surprised that the powers that be "distanced" Angelo from his crew. I also wouldn't be surprised if it came from Cirillo, who acted on the Chin's say. Angelo was "hot." Especially after that pardon by the finook governor of the state.
That wikipedia entry for Purple Gang is a joke. Whoever wrote it is really dumb and drawing straws. The only Italian American gang in E. Harlem were the Red Wings. How come nobody writes about them? That was the real farm team for the Harlem Lucchese-Genovese generation. Purple Gang is make believe like the Westies.
JIGGS
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thanks Jiggs. Looking back any Giglio photo Angelo is pretty easy to spot if you know what i mean. what youre saying makes sense to me
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X-ZAC!
I'm pretty surprised at Capeci. Who has expressed in the not so distant far away past that he is a stickler for accuracy and was always "outing" Ernie Volkman for being more of a used car salesman than a tireless investor in analyzing the data available on organized crime. That he would legitimize a East Harlem "Purple Gang."
It really comes down to your own common sense. Picture this. It's 1969 through 1971. I'm moving "H" on 122nd between 2nd & 3rd, 118 bet. 2nd & 3rd, 119th between 3rd & Lexington and run a shooting gallery on 110th Street & Lex, a basement on 116 bet. 3rd & Lex, and move the money to a candy store on 2nd, an apartment above it, and an apt. on 125th and 1st. A whole mini-network of distro. Baggers, counters, runners, dealers, handful of enforcers, recon, spotters. The Priscos are doing the same thing and are also making themselves available as muscle (extortion). The Meldisch's are known as enforcers and are robbing dealers who give up runners who tell them where the goods are. Frankie Caserta puts in money and gets a high total of points on a package. That package is robbed. I'm the guy whose goods was robbed and who owes Frankie his money. I tell Frankie I know who can find them. If he helps out, I owe him for the package and for this. He reaches out to his old man who in turn reaches out to who Rudy P. and Angelo are "with." They come in, explain the Meldisch's value, if any. A deal gets made. The brothers keep the "H" on the condition they move it, give me my cut, so I can pay back Frankie's investment, plus extra. Now if anyone ever fucks with my shit or encroaches on any of the spots, I can call Caserta, who calls Rudy, who tells Angelo to sic the Meldisch's on them. Let them move it, give the Prisco's and Caserta their cut, and I get my money.
It's all a fictionalized narrative but its based on a real scenario. Within that narrative I never meet the Priscos or the Meldisch's. Frankie is the buffer. For the Meldisch's, the buffer are the Priscos. They don't know Caserta or me. In this context Frankie holds all the power. He can roll on me and the Priscos. There's no buffer in between and can link all to a conspiracy.
Why the fuck would anyone in any of those positions, and within that small network, be thinking "Let's call ourselves the "Purple Gang?" Nobody thinks like that, see? Not on that level. You're not trying to brand yourself, least of all with people you barely know, are not your loyal friends, are connected to you by way of convenience. For all I know Frankie could have been in cahoots with the Priscos. Because that's how they make their money. You're not trying to tag yourself and be lumped together with a psycho like Joe the Russian. (Joseph Meldisch's nick.). So where does that shit come from? It's the media. Who in cahoots with the keystone coppers trying to get "upped" in their own pyramid structures, they run with this whole notion of a gang, naming the players illustrated in my above scenario, that's in line with this "Black Mafia" BS they were spinning during that era, and make the group into some organized threat to Cosa Nostra, but who also works with them and do contract killings, etc.
No Italians branded themselves publicly. Made or not. "Blue Thunder" was the brainchild of a wholesale broker. Not who supplied Vinny Gorgeous.
It was the Mulinyan who started the whole branding of junk. Giving it exotic names. "Sexy Lady," "Super Fly," "Foxy Brown," "Good Times," shit like that. The earliest guy I can recall was the guy that no one has managed to track down to this day. Matthews. If that was even his real name. If he's even still breathing.
Erase Purple Gang from the pantheon on N.Y. mob lore. Unless someone can show hard proof that there was such an entity, committing crimes they've been heralded with, and thru criminal prosecutions charging "Purple Gang" as a continuing illegal enterprise, then it's as fugazy as it gets. I mean c'mon if this was a real peppers and eggs group, the J. Edgar Hoovers and junk task force would have built a case in no time. The same way the DEA was all over Gigi the Whale, Matty Madonna, Louis Cirillo, Ernie Boy, Angelo Ruggiero, Gene, Carneglia, etc. They busted the Demeo crew, Coonan & Co., Jimmy Burke and Vario crew, Bergin crew, etc. How come the Purple Gang was never brought to justice? Because there was no PGN. It was aaaall a dream. :lol:
JIGGS
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Jiggs I read this and thought of you straight away mate
https://www.thedailybeast.com/will-new-yorks-last-real-mafia-hit-bring-down-the-lucchese-family