THE BLACK HAND FORUM

TwoPiece wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:21 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:39 am “I answer questions at my engagements”

Reads to me like he only gives out info when he’s paid.

That's absolutely the case , I'm not sure why that surprises some of you guys

The game is to be sold, not told.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:39 am “I answer questions at my engagements”

Reads to me like he only gives out info when he’s paid.

sdeitche wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:00 am

FriendofFamily wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:06 am

sdeitche wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:57 am

FriendofFamily wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:36 am So here is his response after he read the 12 Questions again.

"Hey My Friend! - Not sure what purpose is served by answering these questions? Just curiosity? I answer questions at my engagements, or at times for a student doing a paper. Certainly during interviews. But not all these questions just for curiosity in an email. Sorry!!"


Note: I did give him a response back to get him motivated to answer the questions for us.


So here is my opinion on this as he has had these Questions personally handed to him a year and half ago by myself. I was reassured several times during that encounter he would get back to me on answering those questions.

I also had sent periodic reminders about these questions through very close people to Michael. I also had a person in Chicago that knows Michael pretty well and he told me that he (Michael) wasn't comfortable answering these questions. I posted that a while back in the first thread someone else started.

Quite frankly, I wasn't expecting any of these questions to be answered. However, since the BHF as a collective group wanted these answered, I would do my best to get them answered. You never know that in the future he may answer a question or two... If it comes through me I will post it.

Will he answer these questions after his father passes or will he save it for a book. If by answering these questions he would not be in a favorable light with his Dad - Who knows what the motivation is about this. But just a guess I would say he says just enough at these Religious rallys and motivational speeches to bring them in and he is able to make an income and offering them to be RE-MADE as he terms it.

I am not judging the Man in any way - I am just offering my opinion based on observational information.

I'm doing an event with Michael on Friday at the Mob Museum: https://themobmuseum.org/events-posts/a ... ob-museum/

I can try and ask him a couple of these at least.

That would be great - there has to be something that he could answer out of those questions. Hand him the print out and watch for his facial reactions. He'll react to them and then he'll think about it and be as cool as cold gets.

Unfortunately I had to fly back to Florida early and needed to back out of tonight's event.

FriendofFamily wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:06 am

sdeitche wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:57 am

FriendofFamily wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:36 am So here is his response after he read the 12 Questions again.

"Hey My Friend! - Not sure what purpose is served by answering these questions? Just curiosity? I answer questions at my engagements, or at times for a student doing a paper. Certainly during interviews. But not all these questions just for curiosity in an email. Sorry!!"


Note: I did give him a response back to get him motivated to answer the questions for us.


So here is my opinion on this as he has had these Questions personally handed to him a year and half ago by myself. I was reassured several times during that encounter he would get back to me on answering those questions.

I also had sent periodic reminders about these questions through very close people to Michael. I also had a person in Chicago that knows Michael pretty well and he told me that he (Michael) wasn't comfortable answering these questions. I posted that a while back in the first thread someone else started.

Quite frankly, I wasn't expecting any of these questions to be answered. However, since the BHF as a collective group wanted these answered, I would do my best to get them answered. You never know that in the future he may answer a question or two... If it comes through me I will post it.

Will he answer these questions after his father passes or will he save it for a book. If by answering these questions he would not be in a favorable light with his Dad - Who knows what the motivation is about this. But just a guess I would say he says just enough at these Religious rallys and motivational speeches to bring them in and he is able to make an income and offering them to be RE-MADE as he terms it.

I am not judging the Man in any way - I am just offering my opinion based on observational information.

I'm doing an event with Michael on Friday at the Mob Museum: https://themobmuseum.org/events-posts/a ... ob-museum/

I can try and ask him a couple of these at least.

That would be great - there has to be something that he could answer out of those questions. Hand him the print out and watch for his facial reactions. He'll react to them and then he'll think about it and be as cool as cold gets.

dixiemafia wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:54 am

Slumpy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:01 pmBut, if people are willing to drop some coin to hear a gangster tell a phony redemption story, then that's their prerogative and you know what they say about fools and their money.

Yep he proved that in this back and forth with our contact, he even mentioned only talking about it when he speaks. He's already trying to hustle us into paying to hear his bullshit.

Then, in 1989, he obtained an early release from prison after serving three years of his sentence. He admitted being a captain in the Colombo crime family, agreed to cooperate with the authorities and testified in a few cases. But he failed to pay any of the $14 million.

Testifying under a grant of immunity before a packed courtroom, the dapper Mr. Franzese, who is serving a 10-year Federal sentence on racketeering and tax-evasion charges and a concurrent nine-year Florida sentence for racketeering, said that as a silent partner, he pressured no athletes for Mr. Walters, who is a lifelong friends. He explained that he and Mr. Walters had long been associated in the music business, in which Mr. Walters was a prominent booking agent, with such clients as the singer Dionne Warwick

Slumpy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:01 pmBut, if people are willing to drop some coin to hear a gangster tell a phony redemption story, then that's their prerogative and you know what they say about fools and their money.

dixiemafia wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:37 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:55 pm Nice humble digs for a servant of God.
What a fuckin con.

https://vimeo.com/227492414

Orange County, not quite the projects. Mustve missed the vow of poverty/humility class.

Can't stand 'preachers' who live like kings. Sickening hypocrisy.

That's the biggest reason most get into it, to make money and live nice. I don't believe his story for one minute and never have, I think it's just another racket for him to make money and seem sincere. I truly think he's a bullshit artist.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:55 pm Nice humble digs for a servant of God.
What a fuckin con.

https://vimeo.com/227492414

Orange County, not quite the projects. Mustve missed the vow of poverty/humility class.

Can't stand 'preachers' who live like kings. Sickening hypocrisy.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:30 pm

yatescj7781 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:07 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:46 am

yatescj7781 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:24 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:38 am

yatescj7781 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:15 am The only question I have is about the October 75 making ceremony. Jog his memory if it was 75,76, or 77 and if the lucchese and Genovese made members before 76 and Allie boys being made in 72

He has always claimed 1975 so he will probably stick to that even if he now knows he remembered it wrong. The books opened up in early 1976 so he can not have been made in 1975.

Saying nobody was made in New York until 76 has holes in it because Allie Boy Persico was made in 1972.

He was made with a Family outside NY (If I remember correctly, it was with the Bufalino Family) and then transferred to the Colombos. Smaller Families outside NY were allowed to make new members if they were authorized to do so by the Commission. The Colombos utilized a loophole in my opinion. There is no information on how the other Families reacted to this but I haven´t seen anything in the files I have gone through that suggests they were pissed about it.

Wasn't there an FBI report concerning this fact? Saying that all 5 families were making 2 guys because of all of this?

Not to my knowledge. If you can find that report I´ll be glad to read it. In 1976 however, the FBI started to produce reports on the NY Families taking in new members that year.

If this was the case, wouldn't other families have done the same. Especially the Genovese. What was the incentive for the Bufalino family to secretly made Allie Boy in their family to transfer? For the Colombos? If any family would do it for them it would have been the Patriarca because of Nick Biancos connections there.

From what I can recall reading the other families weren't upset because they okayed it as a favor to Carmine. Either Carmine was in prison or going to prison and he wanted to use his brother to help run the family and pass along his messages from prison. They wouldn't outright lift the ban on making new members but allowed Carmine to go around it for this one specific case. I can't for the life of me remember where I read this but it always made the most sense out of all the possible theories.

yatescj7781 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:07 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:46 am

yatescj7781 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:24 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:38 am

yatescj7781 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:15 am The only question I have is about the October 75 making ceremony. Jog his memory if it was 75,76, or 77 and if the lucchese and Genovese made members before 76 and Allie boys being made in 72

He has always claimed 1975 so he will probably stick to that even if he now knows he remembered it wrong. The books opened up in early 1976 so he can not have been made in 1975.

Saying nobody was made in New York until 76 has holes in it because Allie Boy Persico was made in 1972.

He was made with a Family outside NY (If I remember correctly, it was with the Bufalino Family) and then transferred to the Colombos. Smaller Families outside NY were allowed to make new members if they were authorized to do so by the Commission. The Colombos utilized a loophole in my opinion. There is no information on how the other Families reacted to this but I haven´t seen anything in the files I have gone through that suggests they were pissed about it.

Wasn't there an FBI report concerning this fact? Saying that all 5 families were making 2 guys because of all of this?

Not to my knowledge. If you can find that report I´ll be glad to read it. In 1976 however, the FBI started to produce reports on the NY Families taking in new members that year.

If this was the case, wouldn't other families have done the same. Especially the Genovese. What was the incentive for the Bufalino family to secretly made Allie Boy in their family to transfer? For the Colombos? If any family would do it for them it would have been the Patriarca because of Nick Biancos connections there.