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Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by SonnyBlackstein » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:39 pm

scott22 wrote: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:29 pm Despite our differences in opinion, I do truly appreciate the discourse and feedback.

Scott
And I'll like to extend my sincere thanks at the mature and patient way in which you've engaged the board and myself in the face of some pretty harsh criticism. I dont think any will have any doubt as to your character after this engagement regardless of opinion of some of your, perceived or not, contentious work.

As I said earlier you are well liked personally, and from the above, respected. My two cents.

Best, Sincerely.
Sonny.

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by scott22 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:29 pm

Despite our differences in opinion, I do truly appreciate the discourse and feedback.

Scott

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by SonnyBlackstein » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:22 pm

scott22 wrote: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:17 pm "continual litany of errors," lol.....quite an overstatement.

However, as I've said before, pound for pound, I stand by my work. To imply that my writing, authoring is filled with untruths, factual mistakes and shoddy research just isn't true.

Scott
I hope to be proven wrong in your future writings Scott. Sincerely.

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by scott22 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:17 pm

"continual litany of errors," lol.....quite an overstatement.

Not trying to bite anyone's hand. And I appreciate, people "wanting to like me" and my writing.

However, as I've said before, pound for pound, I stand by my work. To imply that my writing, authoring is filled with untruths, factual mistakes and shoddy research just isn't true.

Scott

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by bronx » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:02 pm

i think he said koe's sons?

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by SonnyBlackstein » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:05 pm

scott22 wrote: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:40 pm For the record: I've never apologized for my Detroit mob reporting (believe or not, in the late 2000s, the family was over 40 made guys, now less due to attrition), nor my KC article from a couple years ago, which was written with the help of two very informed retired 'FBI agents. Furthermore, I don't ride coattails, my work stands on its own - who has broken more stories than me in the past few years outside NY?

Scott
I'm not going to waste you time in arguing about either Detroit or KC. My point was, and is, the vitriol is not without base. As stated, we want to like your work and enjoy your service. Its simply frustrating that the continual litany of errors which speaks to either a severe lack of research or corroboration at best or deliberate attempts at sensationalism and click-bait at worst renders your work to be judged, on its merits, poorly, by many and with reason. This frustration turns to vitriol after our patience is deservedly exhausted.

If we want to like your work and enjoy your service, why would we bite the hand that feeds us?

We do so, for a reason.

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by scott22 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:41 pm

Joe Profaci never owned Colavita. He owned Mamma Mia. His son, John, started Colavita in 1978, well after Joe died.

Scott

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by scott22 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:40 pm

For the record: I've never apologized for my Detroit mob reporting (believe or not, in the late 2000s, the family was over 40 made guys, now less due to attrition), nor my KC article from a couple years ago, which was written with the help of two very informed retired 'FBI agents. Furthermore, I don't ride coattails, my work stands on its own - who has broken more stories than me in the past few years outside NY?

Scott

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by JCB1977 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:30 am

Didn't Joe Profaci's sons take over the Colavita Olive Oil Company?

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by Confederate » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:25 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:44 pm PS
Scott, Here's a website and a writer who receives ZERO 'vitriol'.

http://lcnbios.blogspot.ca/

Why is that?
I read his article about the Bonnano Soldier and there is no exaggerated bullshit. It is well written factual statements in several small paragraphs that get right to the point each time. Very informative. Thanks for sharing Sonny, I like the writer and will read more of his articles. :)

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by SonnyBlackstein » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:44 pm

PS
Scott, Here's a website and a writer who receives ZERO 'vitriol'.

http://lcnbios.blogspot.ca/

Why is that?

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by SonnyBlackstein » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:42 pm

scott22 wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:46 am I'm always open to constructive criticism. Designations aside, the point of that story (which I was the first and only to report) is that Sal Profaci died. Should I have referenced he's was inactive at the time of his passing, I probably should have. That's on me and it is valid to call me out on it.

I don't think anybody is "out to get me," and I'm obviously not perfect (reporting on this stuff is not an exact science). That said, I stand by what I have written and will always acknowledge if I've made a mistake (Papa Smurf Franco). I am proud of the fact that I've developed solid sources in four major OC areas (Detroit, Chi., Philly and NE) and that over the last decade I have been able to break some big stories. Guys like Jerry C and George A have taken an interest in my work and have mentored me and for that I'm tremendously grateful. Some of the vitriol on the message boards surprises me, but hey I'm a big boy and I'll absorb it and learn from the experience. Anybody can contact me and I'll respond (Hoosierscott@aol.com).

Scott Burnstein
Sigh.

So lets address this. Scott, most people, myself included, want to like your work. We do. Its our passion and interest. You therefor get a willing audience, one that forgives errors and mistakes. We think you're a nice guy. We do, and we're tolerant of confusion, misunderstandings, informants, sources and the general common mistakes of any prevailing zeitgeist given to any different family/situation/era/consensus.

So that being said, this is why the 'vitriol'. Time and time again your 'mistakes' are to the sum of their parts, not, mistakes (If you have the google box. You do, have the google box?).
You have a forgiving audience to say the least. Yet the commonplace and the severity of your errors exhausts patience and forgiveness of 'errors' and 'sources' beyond all normal indulgence.
Scott, off the top of my head, you posted Detroit had 50+ members. You were roasted and then offered apologies. Then we had KC which recently you kindly broke down the whole corporate structure of their 'functioning' family and now its Sal Profaci in which you're 'astonished' you'd receive such vitriol for 'simply not specifying' he was retired and the 'Carmine thing'? Well that was just a mistake...

Fool me once Scott, you've heard the line. This is the 'learning curve', this somewhat educated audience forgives mistakes, but yours are so continuous, consistant, easy to collaborate, rectify and NUMEROUS that well, your audience just loses patience.

Here it is: Detroit has 50 members, mistake? cool, forgiven. KC has a viable setup? Jeez youre pushing the line, Sal Profaci Columbo Capo and Carmine the Westisde Capo...Vitriol. You see how we got there?

Trust takes time to build and is easily lost. You lost the trust early and have been riding nice guy and journalist coatails ever since.

Rebuild the trust with non bullshit articles (with no 5 second google remedied mistakes) and we'll lose the vitriol. And maybe you'll start to rebuild the trust.

And maybe you'll sell more books.

People buy Volkman books once, if you catch my drift....

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by HairyKnuckles » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:56 pm

Rocco wrote: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:27 pm
scott22 wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:46 am I'm always open to constructive criticism. Designations aside, the point of that story (which I was the first and only to report) is that Sal Profaci died. Should I have referenced he's was inactive at the time of his passing, I probably should have. That's on me and it is valid to call me out on it.

I don't think anybody is "out to get me," and I'm obviously not perfect (reporting on this stuff is not an exact science). That said, I stand by what I have written and will always acknowledge if I've made a mistake (Papa Smurf Franco). I am proud of the fact that I've developed solid sources in four major OC areas (Detroit, Chi., Philly and NE) and that over the last decade I have been able to break some big stories. Guys like Jerry C and George A have taken an interest in my work and have mentored me and for that I'm tremendously grateful. Some of the vitriol on the message boards surprises me, but hey I'm a big boy and I'll absorb it and learn from the experience. Anybody can contact me and I'll respond (Hoosierscott@aol.com).

Scott Burnstein
Burnstein:
1) keep doing what you do. Especially if you enjoy it because it's rare that people actually get to do someone they love to do.
2) You made honest mistakes and admitted it. Its not like you are writing fiction and passing it off as real like Philip Carlo.
3)You do the research to the best you can and you write some good stuff.
5)Stop being so polite and just tell someone to Fuck off ..there are no gentlemen here....we are all morally bankrupt here...
Speak for yourself Rocco. That´s a general statement that might not apply to everyone on here. And no matter who the author or poster is, when obvious errors are identified, they should be pointed out. I agree that SB should keep doing what he does. His books are generally held in high praises and I´m happy he wants to post here.

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by Rocco » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:27 pm

scott22 wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:46 am I'm always open to constructive criticism. Designations aside, the point of that story (which I was the first and only to report) is that Sal Profaci died. Should I have referenced he's was inactive at the time of his passing, I probably should have. That's on me and it is valid to call me out on it.

I don't think anybody is "out to get me," and I'm obviously not perfect (reporting on this stuff is not an exact science). That said, I stand by what I have written and will always acknowledge if I've made a mistake (Papa Smurf Franco). I am proud of the fact that I've developed solid sources in four major OC areas (Detroit, Chi., Philly and NE) and that over the last decade I have been able to break some big stories. Guys like Jerry C and George A have taken an interest in my work and have mentored me and for that I'm tremendously grateful. Some of the vitriol on the message boards surprises me, but hey I'm a big boy and I'll absorb it and learn from the experience. Anybody can contact me and I'll respond (Hoosierscott@aol.com).

Scott Burnstein
Burnstein:
1) keep doing what you do. Especially if you enjoy it because it's rare that people actually get to do someone they love to do.
2) You made honest mistakes and admitted it. Its not like you are writing fiction and passing it off as real like Philip Carlo.
3)You do the research to the best you can and you write some good stuff.
5)Stop being so polite and just tell someone to Fuck off ..there are no gentlemen here....we are all morally bankrupt here...

Re: Sal Profaci dies at 81

by yatescj7781 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:31 pm

scott22 wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:46 am I'm always open to constructive criticism. Designations aside, the point of that story (which I was the first and only to report) is that Sal Profaci died. Should I have referenced he's was inactive at the time of his passing, I probably should have. That's on me and it is valid to call me out on it.

I don't think anybody is "out to get me," and I'm obviously not perfect (reporting on this stuff is not an exact science). That said, I stand by what I have written and will always acknowledge if I've made a mistake (Papa Smurf Franco). I am proud of the fact that I've developed solid sources in four major OC areas (Detroit, Chi., Philly and NE) and that over the last decade I have been able to break some big stories. Guys like Jerry C and George A have taken an interest in my work and have mentored me and for that I'm tremendously grateful. Some of the vitriol on the message boards surprises me, but hey I'm a big boy and I'll absorb it and learn from the experience. Anybody can contact me and I'll respond (Hoosierscott@aol.com).

Scott Burnstein
I respect you taking it that way Scott.Spoken like a gentleman. I loved your Leonetti book man, you gotta get another guy like the Crumb and do a book with him. I know how it is sometimes, I can pick apart and dissect books and articles with a fine tooth comb. Feel free to run anything by me at yatescj77@gmail.com. Not looking for money or anything. This shit is my hobby, something I enjoy doing.

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