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Chicago wrote:

johnny_scootch wrote:Frattiano did say that Roselli was at his making ceremony. Roselli was the guy bringing the inductees into the room so Roselli was already made by then. I do agree with you that Frattiano probably lied quite a bit and exaggerated but on the subject of Johnny Roselli a guy whom he seems to like more then anyone else mentioned in the book what does he stand to gain by lying about his membership? Roselli was the guy who helped Frattiano transfer to Chicago when he fell out of favor with the LA leadership. An interesting part of the book says that once Dragna died Roselli was the favorite to take over the family but Desimone and Licata somehow rigged the election. Imagine how much different that family would have turned out if ROselli became boss rather then Desimone.

I def agree with Snakes take on things.

Yes, Roselli might have been bringing inductees into the room, but that was because he was already considered made in the Chicago Outfit.
A made guy from the Chicago Outfit could attend a making Ceremony in Los Angeles, especially if he was the Chicago representative out there.
Something to consider.

Yes he would be allowed to sit in but something to think about is that Chicago didn't hold ceremonies back then so it probably would have been something new to Roselli if he was made in Chicago. In any case this book specifically states that Roselli was made in LA and goes into detail about his transfer to Chicago. You seem interested in all things Chicago so why not check it out for yourself.

Roselli may have felt he still belonged to Chicago, and in a sense, he did. L.A. was not going to stand up to the Outfit bosses if Roselli was going over Dragna's head to Ricca and Nitti.

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Frattiano did say that Roselli was at his making ceremony. Roselli was the guy bringing the inductees into the room so Roselli was already made by then. I do agree with you that Frattiano probably lied quite a bit and exaggerated but on the subject of Johnny Roselli a guy whom he seems to like more then anyone else mentioned in the book what does he stand to gain by lying about his membership? Roselli was the guy who helped Frattiano transfer to Chicago when he fell out of favor with the LA leadership. An interesting part of the book says that once Dragna died Roselli was the favorite to take over the family but Desimone and Licata somehow rigged the election. Imagine how much different that family would have turned out if ROselli became boss rather then Desimone.

I def agree with Snakes take on things.

Roselli was sent to California in the twenties, more for health reasons than anything else. This predates the Outfit's organization as an LCN family with all the resulting rituals and ceremony; the only guys doing it in Chicago at the time were the Gennas whom Roselli was not affiliated with. Therefore, Roselli was probably made into the L.A. family but still held strong ties to Chicago from his previous time there. In that sense, it was almost like Chicago had one of their own in the L.A. family. He worked more with Chicago and the bosses there than he did Dragna and was essentially Chicago's representante in the southern California mob.

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Chicago wrote: Johnny Roselli belonged to Chicago. He was sent out there to oversee the Union Activity in Hollywood. He relayed orders to the L.A.Family when required.
Never heard of any Outfit guy OF MADE STATUS ever switching to another Group.
When the C.I.A. wanted to contact Giancana, they even went through Roselli who reported direct to the Top Bosses in Chicago.

According to former LA acting boss and one time Outfit member Jimmy Frattiano......Johnny Roselli was made into the LA family and transferred to Chicago when Jack Dragna died. Check out the book 'The Last Mafioso' by Ovid Demaris it has a ton of interesting info on LA, Chicago, San Fran and the rest of the Western families.

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Vic amuso was originally a Gallo crew member before being made in the lucchese family

Scarfo JR went from Philly not made yet , to Lucchese

Bobby Luisi from Patriarca to Philly

In Piitsburgh, Stan Valenti, son in law to powerful Pittsburgh Capo Antonio Ripepi, and his brother Frank Valenti, both made in Pittsburgh, broke off and took over the rackets in Rochester with full support from Frank Amato/John LaRocca. Also, longtime Pittsburgh Capo, Sal Marino, from Sharon, PA went out to California with his son Angelo Marino and ran the rackets in San Jose under the protection of John LaRocca's cousins Pasquale & Alfonse in San Francisco as well as Boss Jimmy Lanza.

Sal Marino operated the Sharon Cheese Company and after his son Angelo, boss of San Jose, moved the cheese company to Cali, they sold it for tens of millions to Sorrento Cheese Co.

Also, Stefano Randazzo, made in Cleveland, transferred down to Tampa and became Traficante's driver and a made soldier under the protection of John "Peanuts" Tronolone, former Consigliere of Cleveland based out of Hallandale Beach, FL.

Also, James "Jack White" Licavoli and his brothers were originally part of St. Louis, moved to Detroit and while Yonnie & Pete stayed around Detroit, James Licavoli settled in Cleveland and became boss (by default and nepotism).

Pasquale "Patsy" Feruccio, made in Cleveland in the 1960's became a liaison between Cleveland and Pittsburgh and was considered the Mafia's leading expert on video poker machines, as his vending company had several patents. He distributed these to every mob family in the country for a long time. He also got a cut from every machine that his company, Liberty Vending distributed. In the early 1980's, right after the Pittsburgh-Cleveland war that lasted 6 years, he had LaRocca and Jo Jo Pecora in Pittsburgh talk to Jack White about coming over. Licavoli hated Feruccio, they had a beef in the late 1940's and they each wanted to kill each other but the bosses always made them hold peace for the family...Angelo Lonardo, who was a man of reason and always did what was best for business advised Jack White to let him go for $500k, which Feruccio paid in cash. He had an antique Rolls Royce worth almost a cool $million.

Frank Illiano and Albert Gallo went from being associates of the Profaci/Colombo to the Genovese (thought there were others that followed the two?)


Sammy Gravano was with the Colombo's to the Gambino's


But don't think anyone were made yet

Rosario Anselmo only member in Sicily to change family.

Rosario Anselmo member of Porta Nuova wanted to marry sister of Raffaele Spina member of Noce family but he was opposing it because Anselmo was from poor background. Buscetta advised him to run away with the sister and so Spina had to accept marriage. After this Calcedonio Di Pisa claimed Anselmo as member because of this but Salvatore La Barbera argued against it to the mafia commission who gave Anselmo to Noce family.

Cavataio, Mariano Troia, Salvatore Manno and Nino Matranga used this as well as the missing heroin to frame La Barbera for murder of Di Pisa and this is one of the events in the leading to the first mafia war.

I always jimmy the weasel and interesting fella. He was all over the place.


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