THE BLACK HAND FORUM

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:50 pm

Chucky wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:11 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:58 pm

Chucky wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:15 am There was a gangland column from 2009 that mentioned Mancuso keeping an eye on the situation in Montreal, that would indicate to me that he was already pulling some strings by that point. I could be wrong though.

Not true.

Not entirely, this is from an old gangland column:

Law enforcement sources in New York tell Gang Land that underlings of Mikey Nose Mancuso, who is serving a 15-year-plea deal for the same murder for which his predecessor acting boss Vincent (Vinny Gorgeous) Basciano is doing life, are also paying close attention to developments north of the border.

The article was from 2012, and you know that. Your original point was that the article was from 2009.

Chucky wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:11 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:58 pm

Chucky wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:15 am There was a gangland column from 2009 that mentioned Mancuso keeping an eye on the situation in Montreal, that would indicate to me that he was already pulling some strings by that point. I could be wrong though.

Not true.

Not entirely, this is from an old gangland column:

Law enforcement sources in New York tell Gang Land that underlings of Mikey Nose Mancuso, who is serving a 15-year-plea deal for the same murder for which his predecessor acting boss Vincent (Vinny Gorgeous) Basciano is doing life, are also paying close attention to developments north of the border.

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:58 pm

Chucky wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:15 am There was a gangland column from 2009 that mentioned Mancuso keeping an eye on the situation in Montreal, that would indicate to me that he was already pulling some strings by that point. I could be wrong though.

Not true.

Law enforcement sources in New York tell Gang Land that underlings of Mikey Nose Mancuso, who is serving a 15-year-plea deal for the same murder for which his predecessor acting boss Vincent (Vinny Gorgeous) Basciano is doing life, are also paying close attention to developments north of the border.

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:02 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:12 am

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:14 am

aleksandrored wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:49 am I read that he was the substitute for Massino as boss but that was in 2012, how was the family without a "boss in that period of 2004-2012?

After Massino got indicted in 2003 he made Urso the acting boss. In 2004, Urso is indicted and replaced with Basciano who gets indicted that same year, being replaced by Mancuso. It comes out in early 2005 that Massino has flipped. Mancuso stays on as acting boss until his indictment in 2006. Montagna has a run until his deportation in 2009. Ruling panel emerges from 2009 to 2010, by which point Badalamenti is selected as the new acting boss and the incarcerated Mancuso probably becomes the official boss. Badalamenti is arrested in 2012 and replaced by DiFiore. In 2014 Palazzolo becomes acting boss. In 2015 Cammarano becomes acting boss.

Didn't they switch to a ruling panel before Palazzolo? With DiFiore and Asaro on it, can't remember who else was on it off hand, probably Rabitto. DiFiore or Mancuso changed it from DiFiore as acting boss to a ruling panel. Also I'm not saying your wrong, but I thought Mancuso became official boss in 2012??

It was first revealed that he was acting boss in 2012 but he could well have assumed the title before then. Here’s a quote from a 2012 Gang Land article that sums it up:

Sources say that while Vincent (Vinny TV) Badalamenti has been functioning as the Bonanno family’s main man since Montagna was deported, Mikey Nose is viewed as the wiseguy who is pulling the strings for the crime family, despite his confinement at the medium security prison in Edgefield until March 2019.
“He’s the (Bonanno) mobster with the most clout right now,” said one knowledgeable Gang Land source, adding: “The other guy (Badalamenti) is more like a street boss.”

Frank wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:12 am

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:14 am

aleksandrored wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:49 am I read that he was the substitute for Massino as boss but that was in 2012, how was the family without a "boss in that period of 2004-2012?

After Massino got indicted in 2003 he made Urso the acting boss. In 2004, Urso is indicted and replaced with Basciano who gets indicted that same year, being replaced by Mancuso. It comes out in early 2005 that Massino has flipped. Mancuso stays on as acting boss until his indictment in 2006. Montagna has a run until his deportation in 2009. Ruling panel emerges from 2009 to 2010, by which point Badalamenti is selected as the new acting boss and the incarcerated Mancuso probably becomes the official boss. Badalamenti is arrested in 2012 and replaced by DiFiore. In 2014 Palazzolo becomes acting boss. In 2015 Cammarano becomes acting boss.

Didn't they switch to a ruling panel before Palazzolo? With DiFiore and Asaro on it, can't remember who else was on it off hand, probably Rabitto. DiFiore or Mancuso changed it from DiFiore as acting boss to a ruling panel. Also I'm not saying your wrong, but I thought Mancuso became official boss in 2012??

Chucky wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:15 am There was a gangland column from 2009 that mentioned Mancuso keeping an eye on the situation in Montreal, that would indicate to me that he was already pulling some strings by that point. I could be wrong though.

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:14 am

aleksandrored wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:49 am I read that he was the substitute for Massino as boss but that was in 2012, how was the family without a "boss in that period of 2004-2012?

After Massino got indicted in 2003 he made Urso the acting boss. In 2004, Urso is indicted and replaced with Basciano who gets indicted that same year, being replaced by Mancuso. It comes out in early 2005 that Massino has flipped. Mancuso stays on as acting boss until his indictment in 2006. Montagna has a run until his deportation in 2009. Ruling panel emerges from 2009 to 2010, by which point Badalamenti is selected as the new acting boss and the incarcerated Mancuso probably becomes the official boss. Badalamenti is arrested in 2012 and replaced by DiFiore. In 2014 Palazzolo becomes acting boss. In 2015 Cammarano becomes acting boss.

aleksandrored wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:49 am I read that he was the substitute for Massino as boss but that was in 2012, how was the family without a "boss in that period of 2004-2012?

Chucky wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:10 am Acting Bosses are not "figureheads", they're usually members who have a good deal of influence and have a good bit of autonomy. Badalamenti was made acting boss by Mancuso before DiFiore. After DiFiore went down, Palazzolo was made acting boss by Mancuso according to the feds...so my guess is DiFiore was selected by Mancuso to be acting boss and was given a good bit of freedom.

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:06 am

aleksandrored wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:49 am I read that he was the substitute for Massino as boss but that was in 2012, how was the family without a "boss in that period of 2004-2012?

Chances r that basciano had power till 05 or 06. Then sal montagna ran the show till 09. And then id say mancuso took over. That’s my take.

aleksandrored wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:49 am I read that he was the substitute for Massino as boss but that was in 2012, how was the family without a "boss in that period of 2004-2012?

aleksandrored wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:49 am I read that he was the substitute for Massino as boss but that was in 2012, how was the family without a "boss in that period of 2004-2012?