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Re: Gigante & New England

by dixiemafia » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:49 pm

I think two piece is right, I think he was a Federal Hill kid. NY definitely helped him hide though and he had ties there.

Re: Gigante & New England

by TwoPiece » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:23 pm

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:55 am
dixiemafia wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:22 pm The New England family was real close with the Westside. I could see him doing that. I still wished I could find out more about Patriarca and what started his rise and how in the hell he was close with New York being that he was born in Worcester and cut his teeth on Federal Hill in Providence. Same goes for Nicky Bianco, I think he was born in NY but somehow had some sway in Federal Hill as well. It's the most confusing family I've seen in trying to get information that far back.
Baby Shacks came from NY, didn't he?
No, he was a Providence guy. But he spent a lot of time in NY while on the run in the 1970's.

Re: Gigante & New England

by JCB1977 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:55 am

dixiemafia wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:22 pm The New England family was real close with the Westside. I could see him doing that. I still wished I could find out more about Patriarca and what started his rise and how in the hell he was close with New York being that he was born in Worcester and cut his teeth on Federal Hill in Providence. Same goes for Nicky Bianco, I think he was born in NY but somehow had some sway in Federal Hill as well. It's the most confusing family I've seen in trying to get information that far back.
Baby Shacks came from NY, didn't he?

Re: Gigante & New England

by Rocco » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:55 pm

Chucky wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:51 am The Genovese wanted Scarfo to be boss after Bruno was killed, it was less about Atlantic City and more about having a Genovese aligned boss in Philadelphia.
True. Prior to Scarfo the Bruno was with the Gambino's and the Genovese and Gambino's are rivals and have always been jockeying for power wether it be a Union Local on the Port or influence over a smaller LCN group like Philly. Also I don't think the Westside even had control of union Locals that did allot of the work in South Jersey and Philly. Most of the Local's that were used in building the casino's were not based out of NY. Though I believe that Scarfo brought some Westside locals into the projects once they were aligned. But Scarfo made the most money down there with the construction of the Casino's. The main reason Gotti wanted control over the Decav's was because of there construction influence in NJ and NY. Gotti profited from that. So the Gambino's local or controlled company was now brought it on jobs rather then a Lucchese or Westside controlled local or company.

Re: Gigante & New England

by Wiseguy » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:39 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:14 pm During the time Scarfo and maybe Patriarca were getting permission, was it GIGANTE that would be acknowledged as boss?

Or would the message be that Salerno or just The Genovese would be making the orders?
Yes, at the time of both, Gigante was the boss. Salerno was present at that meeting where Chin made his comment about "Not seeing anyone else" there and made Scarfo the boss.

Re: Gigante & New England

by JeremyTheJew » Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:14 pm

During the time Scarfo and maybe Patriarca were getting permission, was it GIGANTE that would be acknowledged as boss?

Or would the message be that Salerno or just The Genovese would be making the orders?

Re: Gigante & New England

by furiofromnaples » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:48 am

BillyBrizzi wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:32 am
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:02 am
UTC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:41 pm The Genovese told Pittsburgh not to make new guys.
I read that after Leonetti flipped in 1989, Pittsburgh,Cleveland,St Louis ecc decide to don't made new members for avoid high ranking members betrayls.
Do you remember where you read this Fur?
No Billy but I'm trying to find the article.

Re: Gigante & New England

by BillyBrizzi » Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:32 am

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:02 am
UTC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:41 pm The Genovese told Pittsburgh not to make new guys.
I read that after Leonetti flipped in 1989, Pittsburgh,Cleveland,St Louis ecc decide to don't made new members for avoid high ranking members betrayls.
Do you remember where you read this Fur?

Re: Gigante & New England

by furiofromnaples » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:02 am

UTC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:41 pm The Genovese told Pittsburgh not to make new guys.
I read that after Leonetti flipped in 1989, Pittsburgh,Cleveland,St Louis ecc decide to don't made new members for avoid high ranking members betrayls.

Re: Gigante & New England

by UTC » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:41 pm

The Genovese told Pittsburgh not to make new guys.

Re: Gigante & New England

by Pogo The Clown » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:10 am

Scarfo may have got to pick his administration but he still had to get the OK from NY to demote and promote his administration and even his Capos. This must have been a more recent developement as don't think Bruno was under NYs thumb to this degree.


Pogo

Re: Gigante & New England

by Chucky » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:51 am

The Genovese wanted Scarfo to be boss after Bruno was killed, it was less about Atlantic City and more about having a Genovese aligned boss in Philadelphia.

Re: Gigante & New England

by furiofromnaples » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:13 am

The cases are different: in Philly the genoveses wanted to operate in atlantic city so istigated Caponigro to kill bruno and after testa was killed one year later scarfo become boss because was friend of bobby manna aka the genovese nj boss; in 1991 after Mercurio flipped and recorded the famous making ceremony in 10989, Patriarca jr that was a weak leader can't dodge the war between the boston and providence factions. Nicky Bianco was a former joe gallo crew member,if gigante choosed him nothing changed because Bianco was soon arrested and the Salemme took the reins but the war continued.

Re: Gigante & New England

by johnny_scootch » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:57 am

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:54 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:26 pm Seems crazy and against the rules (shouldn't they vote?) but he did almost the same thing in Philadelphia according to Phil Leonetti.
It was the same thing. Scarfo was made boss with the blessing of the Genovese family. Probably the last time any boss had such far reaching influence.
I said almost because Gigante let Scarfo pick his own underboss & consigliere opposed to naming an entire admin.

Re: Gigante & New England

by Wiseguy » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:54 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:26 pm Seems crazy and against the rules (shouldn't they vote?) but he did almost the same thing in Philadelphia according to Phil Leonetti.
It was the same thing. Scarfo was made boss with the blessing of the Genovese family. Probably the last time any boss had such far reaching influence.

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