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Manf wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 4:17 am Some of you can just ignore Scott's reports instead of having a meltdown every few weeks.

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 8:36 pm

Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:27 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:23 pm

Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:00 pm This is about Cicale being dismissed as a source on Nick Cirillo here yet being conveniently dragged out when it's about Scott. He's either credible or he isn't, is that an unreasoable ask?

Guess Im just an issues guy vs judgement guy.
Base every issue on its merits vs my opinion of the person.
I think Cicale is more likely to have clipped Cirillo than his father ordering it and I think Cicale is more likely to know if a bronx social club was robbed than Scott Burnstein.

I dont know why youre set on if you believe one you have to believe the other on totally unrelated issues.

You ever told a lie in your life? So I should never trust you on anything else you say ever? Of course not. You just base each issue on its merits.

Scott, still waiting on your merits buddy.

Fair enough i think that's a great way of looking at things.

I'm not set on anything i've explained my position. IMO Cicale would be more credible when he's an actual Soldier and especially when it's a situation he's a central figure in like Nick Cirillo, i'm not saying i look to Cicale on the Genovese leadership at that point, i'm saying that he had a conflict with Nick Cirillo and he later disappeared so i take him seriously on that issue. IMO he is far more credible on the life at that point than he is on what's going on in 2025.

Camo, you bring a good point. Cicale and his EG vodka. We all called him a bullshitter and a liar. I remember when Cicale said after he flipped he was doing construction projects with made guys and they didnt care because Dom was making money. And its got nothing to do with the Bronx. Imo and im just guessing, its because Dom used to be a bonanno. Also he has stated how much he dislikes Mancuso and tried to kill Mancuso. And he went on and on about his hatred for him. It was an easy opportunity for Cicale to jump on this and say "see, told, ya. Thats what I think...anyways.

Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:27 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:23 pm

Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:00 pm This is about Cicale being dismissed as a source on Nick Cirillo here yet being conveniently dragged out when it's about Scott. He's either credible or he isn't, is that an unreasoable ask?

Guess Im just an issues guy vs judgement guy.
Base every issue on its merits vs my opinion of the person.
I think Cicale is more likely to have clipped Cirillo than his father ordering it and I think Cicale is more likely to know if a bronx social club was robbed than Scott Burnstein.

I dont know why youre set on if you believe one you have to believe the other on totally unrelated issues.

You ever told a lie in your life? So I should never trust you on anything else you say ever? Of course not. You just base each issue on its merits.

Scott, still waiting on your merits buddy.

Fair enough i think that's a great way of looking at things.

I'm not set on anything i've explained my position. IMO Cicale would be more credible when he's an actual Soldier and especially when it's a situation he's a central figure in like Nick Cirillo, i'm not saying i look to Cicale on the Genovese leadership at that point, i'm saying that he had a conflict with Nick Cirillo and he later disappeared so i take him seriously on that issue. IMO he is far more credible on the life at that point than he is on what's going on in 2025.

Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:27 pm IMO he is far more credible on the life at that point than he is on what's going on in 2025.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:23 pm

Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:00 pm This is about Cicale being dismissed as a source on Nick Cirillo here yet being conveniently dragged out when it's about Scott. He's either credible or he isn't, is that an unreasoable ask?

Guess Im just an issues guy vs judgement guy.
Base every issue on its merits vs my opinion of the person.
I think Cicale is more likely to have clipped Cirillo than his father ordering it and I think Cicale is more likely to know if a bronx social club was robbed than Scott Burnstein.

I dont know why youre set on if you believe one you have to believe the other on totally unrelated issues.

You ever told a lie in your life? So I should never trust you on anything else you say ever? Of course not. You just base each issue on its merits.

Scott, still waiting on your merits buddy.

Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:00 pm This is about Cicale being dismissed as a source on Nick Cirillo here yet being conveniently dragged out when it's about Scott. He's either credible or he isn't, is that an unreasoable ask?

scott22 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:09 pm Sonny ,

Your for real throwing out a Hitler reference?

Kinda says it all, no ?

Cicale is a rat who the current and former leaders of the Bonannos want to kill . Nobody inside the Bonannos right now are speaking or communicating with him . More or less ,His knowledge and “reporting “ of modern day Bonanno affairs are the equivalent of random posters on this board.

Scott

Dom C has more reporting credentials than me ? Is that what your saying?

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 5:50 pm

Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:46 pm Genuinely asking myself. Why is Cicale credible on this topic and not Nick Cirillo? He was a central part of the Nick Cirillo situation. We've seen pictures of Bosses with Associates nevermind Sodliers in prison, we know all of these guys stick together in jail and network. Not long ago i was reading a thread where you found the idea that Cicale while a made man who was not an informant yet, was talking to Quiet Dom in jail as ridiculous. A situation that Cicale had ample reason to question since he could have been killed over it. Why is he to be believed on Mafia matters after he becomes an informant but not while he's an active member of the Mafia about a situation we know for a fact he was one of the main two participants in?

To be clear i think this social club stuff is nonsense this is not about Scott i've just found it very surprising how Cicale has suddenly become more credible after becoming an informant.

Dude youre better than this.
This is an easy one. Logic, likelihood and reason mate. Hitler was right about the sky being blue but not the Jews. We dont call the sky red.

Cicale was ... read the above post... vs Scott ZERO the above post. Hence... go with Dom.

Cicale is a murderer who had motive to clip Cirillo and did it on the sneak vs his father ordered his son to be clipped. Going with Cicale on the sneak vs father as its more likely a murderer...murdered, than a son orders his fathers death.

Not tricky stuff mate.

Camo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:46 pm Genuinely asking myself. Why is Cicale credible on this topic and not Nick Cirillo? He was a central part of the Nick Cirillo situation. We've seen pictures of Bosses with Associates nevermind Sodliers in prison, we know all of these guys stick together in jail and network. Not long ago i was reading a thread where you found the idea that Cicale while a made man who was not an informant yet, was talking to Quiet Dom in jail as ridiculous. A situation that Cicale had ample reason to question since he could have been killed over it. Why is he to be believed on Mafia matters after he becomes an informant but not while he's an active member of the Mafia about a situation we know for a fact he was one of the main two participants in?

To be clear i think this social club stuff is nonsense this is not about Scott i've just found it very surprising how Cicale has suddenly become more credible after becoming an informant.

scott22 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:17 pm Why would he know anything ?