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by **Camo** » Thu Apr 17, 2025 7:10 pm

B. wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:40 pm The Sicilian mafia is under way more pressure than the US members. They can and do get hit with prison sentences for even talking to another member or associate and no law like that exists in the US. Then once they're in prison they can get hit with a 41-bis and are basically cut off from the entire world. They're under way more scrutiny and Sicilian members do flip all the time now. It's a bigger uphill battle for Italian LE though because the mafia is so ingrained and all over the island.

I do agree with you thought that "Sicilian" does not mean sophisticated and plenty of them are thuggish. A big difference with the Sicilians is they are more clannish and take the traditional mafia values more seriously. Lanni was from the Sicilian faction but it should be pointed out he doesn't appear to be Sicilian himself. Still he represents them and as you said it shows their group isn't worlds different from other NY mobsters.

If we're purely talking about Bosses then i'd agree with this view but Italy is still Utopia for European Criminals with its intense corruption. The difference is Americans accepting that they are at best Middle Class bookmakers and loansharks while certain Sicilians see themselves as international drug traffickers. The streets of Sicily are still run by middleclass bookmakers and loansharks and lower level goons, we just don't hear about them because they aren't as interesting as Bosses.

Apologies i thought Lanni was Sicilian because y'all (not you B.) were talking about it as a big badass Sicilian Intercontinental Network bust. Reading about the Corelonesi for instance the only difference i see is corruptibility of the Country they were in.

by B. » Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:40 pm

The Sicilian mafia is under way more pressure than the US members. They can and do get hit with prison sentences for even talking to another member or associate and no law like that exists in the US. Then once they're in prison they can get hit with a 41-bis and are basically cut off from the entire world. They're under way more scrutiny and Sicilian members do flip all the time now. It's a bigger uphill battle for Italian LE though because the mafia is so ingrained and all over the island.

I do agree with you thought that "Sicilian" does not mean sophisticated and plenty of them are thuggish. A big difference with the Sicilians is they are more clannish and take the traditional mafia values more seriously. Lanni was from the Sicilian faction but it should be pointed out he doesn't appear to be Sicilian himself. Still he represents them and as you said it shows their group isn't worlds different from other NY mobsters.

by **Camo** » Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:21 pm

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 5:37 am I can't see Gene becoming boss. Of course this is pure speculation on my part but I think the majority of the family would see gene getting the reins as going backwards. They're better off with the quiet Sicilian leadership. If Gene is in fact back in the fold they can placate him by giving him some power or autonomy, but there's much more sophisticated, low profile, guys that I have to believe the family would rather in charge. That Gotti name brings way too much heat and headlines, and after 35 years on the inside, there has to have been relationships, rapport, and good will made with guys and other families that Gene does not have at this point. Just my two cents.

Didn't the last bust involving these "sophistacted" Sicilians have a Gambino Captain pictured buying gas to burn down a restaraunt? I don't know why people assume they are sophisticated, if they are from areas with vast corruption like Italy then they aren't faced with the same LE pressure as America. That's why they suffer less consequences and flip less they aren't somehow inherently better at crime than others, the State dictates the level criminals can reach as we've seen with every top tier criminal ever: Pablo Escobar, El Chapo, Riina.

This story is ridiculous but so is the idea of certain criminals being "sophisticated" because they were born in Sicily. They are all violent idiots they are just more protected in certain areas.

by ng » Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:11 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Sat Apr 12, 2025 7:35 am
Buster123 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 12, 2025 6:04 am Matteos has 2 big party rooms, one upstairs one downstairs & restaurant is on main floor
Ahhh, I didn’t know that not my neck of the woods. I’ve only been in the restaurant part a few times, not sure I would count it as a ‘catering hall’ even with that knowledge and it not being in Brooklyn eliminates it from being a possibility anyway but thanks for the info cheers.

Agreed thanks for the replies

by **johnny_scootch** » Sat Apr 12, 2025 7:35 am

Buster123 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 12, 2025 6:04 am Matteos has 2 big party rooms, one upstairs one downstairs & restaurant is on main floor

Ahhh, I didn’t know that not my neck of the woods. I’ve only been in the restaurant part a few times, not sure I would count it as a ‘catering hall’ even with that knowledge and it not being in Brooklyn eliminates it from being a possibility anyway but thanks for the info cheers.

by **Buster123** » Sat Apr 12, 2025 6:04 am

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 7:17 pm
ng wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 7:11 am Yes that's it, thanks. I can't think of any restaurants in Brooklyn I associate with the gottis tho
The article calls it a ‘restaurant and catering hall’ so if that’s an accurate description it’s a place more like Gargiulo’s where you can go out to dinner or have a wedding reception than it is a place like Matteo’s that’s strictly a restaurant. In the old days there were dozens of places like this in Brooklyn but not anymore. Gargiulo and Giando were the only places in Brooklyn that fit that description I could think of off the top of my head. Anthony Prudenti owns Giando and I always thought he was around the Genovese family but maybe that’s wrong.

Matteos has 2 big party rooms, one upstairs one downstairs & restaurant is on main floor

by **johnny_scootch** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 7:17 pm

ng wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 7:11 am Yes that's it, thanks. I can't think of any restaurants in Brooklyn I associate with the gottis tho

The article calls it a ‘restaurant and catering hall’ so if that’s an accurate description it’s a place more like Gargiulo’s where you can go out to dinner or have a wedding reception than it is a place like Matteo’s that’s strictly a restaurant. In the old days there were dozens of places like this in Brooklyn but not anymore. Gargiulo and Giando were the only places in Brooklyn that fit that description I could think of off the top of my head. Anthony Prudenti owns Giando and I always thought he was around the Genovese family but maybe that’s wrong.

by ng » Fri Apr 11, 2025 5:38 pm

aray22 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 10:36 am
AAA-DK wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:42 am
ng wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 4:10 am
Tocco686 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 5:35 am I wonder if the catering company he’s referring to is Russo's On The Bay?
That's in HB Queens, the main avenue there, cross bay Blvd or some shit lol

I was wondering where he was talking about, I would've thought that place on the corner of rockaway in OZP- enzos, aldos?? Maybe one of the queens guys know where I mean, Amoroso was the owners name.

I get the feeling Scott pays a low rate associate of the Gambinos for "info". Whoever his source is, seems like he takes it as gospel. At best they get secondhand rumors, at worst they're making shit up. But all in all, Scott's probably just another mark for them. It's probably some junkie or gambler who needed 500 bucks...

I can't blame them to be honest, I'm over here thinking about offering him a "hot fresh scoop" for a couple hundred myself, just to see how dumb he is lmao
there is a restruant called matteo's ih HB that is a well known gambino spot with a owner/co-owner named Amoroso
Anthony Amoroso. Was best friends with John Jr.

Yep, Anthony senior was around him forever but there's no telling who he's with now. Anthony Jr hung around John the third but I think that whole family is legit these days. Maybe the dad pays one of the gottis but usually they would just overpay the connected kids for bullshit catering work. That wasn't my crowd but we had some mutual friends and worked shit like weddings together. Ant junior looked like growing up gotti when he was young but as far as I know he's a respectable guy these days. That restaurant deserves plenty of praise too, they treated you like a prince even if they barely knew you.

by **aray22** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 10:36 am

AAA-DK wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:42 am
ng wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 4:10 am
Tocco686 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 5:35 am I wonder if the catering company he’s referring to is Russo's On The Bay?
That's in HB Queens, the main avenue there, cross bay Blvd or some shit lol

I was wondering where he was talking about, I would've thought that place on the corner of rockaway in OZP- enzos, aldos?? Maybe one of the queens guys know where I mean, Amoroso was the owners name.

I get the feeling Scott pays a low rate associate of the Gambinos for "info". Whoever his source is, seems like he takes it as gospel. At best they get secondhand rumors, at worst they're making shit up. But all in all, Scott's probably just another mark for them. It's probably some junkie or gambler who needed 500 bucks...

I can't blame them to be honest, I'm over here thinking about offering him a "hot fresh scoop" for a couple hundred myself, just to see how dumb he is lmao
there is a restruant called matteo's ih HB that is a well known gambino spot with a owner/co-owner named Amoroso

Anthony Amoroso. Was best friends with John Jr.

by ng » Fri Apr 11, 2025 7:11 am

AAA-DK wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:42 am
ng wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 4:10 am
Tocco686 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 5:35 am I wonder if the catering company he’s referring to is Russo's On The Bay?
That's in HB Queens, the main avenue there, cross bay Blvd or some shit lol

I was wondering where he was talking about, I would've thought that place on the corner of rockaway in OZP- enzos, aldos?? Maybe one of the queens guys know where I mean, Amoroso was the owners name.

I get the feeling Scott pays a low rate associate of the Gambinos for "info". Whoever his source is, seems like he takes it as gospel. At best they get secondhand rumors, at worst they're making shit up. But all in all, Scott's probably just another mark for them. It's probably some junkie or gambler who needed 500 bucks...

I can't blame them to be honest, I'm over here thinking about offering him a "hot fresh scoop" for a couple hundred myself, just to see how dumb he is lmao
there is a restruant called matteo's ih HB that is a well known gambino spot with a owner/co-owner named Amoroso

Yes that's it, thanks. I can't think of any restaurants in Brooklyn I associate with the gottis tho

by **AAA-DK** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:42 am

ng wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 4:10 am
Tocco686 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 5:35 am I wonder if the catering company he’s referring to is Russo's On The Bay?
That's in HB Queens, the main avenue there, cross bay Blvd or some shit lol

I was wondering where he was talking about, I would've thought that place on the corner of rockaway in OZP- enzos, aldos?? Maybe one of the queens guys know where I mean, Amoroso was the owners name.

I get the feeling Scott pays a low rate associate of the Gambinos for "info". Whoever his source is, seems like he takes it as gospel. At best they get secondhand rumors, at worst they're making shit up. But all in all, Scott's probably just another mark for them. It's probably some junkie or gambler who needed 500 bucks...

I can't blame them to be honest, I'm over here thinking about offering him a "hot fresh scoop" for a couple hundred myself, just to see how dumb he is lmao

there is a restruant called matteo's ih HB that is a well known gambino spot with a owner/co-owner named Amoroso

by **JakeTheSnake630** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 5:37 am

I can't see Gene becoming boss. Of course this is pure speculation on my part but I think the majority of the family would see gene getting the reins as going backwards. They're better off with the quiet Sicilian leadership. If Gene is in fact back in the fold they can placate him by giving him some power or autonomy, but there's much more sophisticated, low profile, guys that I have to believe the family would rather in charge. That Gotti name brings way too much heat and headlines, and after 35 years on the inside, there has to have been relationships, rapport, and good will made with guys and other families that Gene does not have at this point. Just my two cents.

by ng » Fri Apr 11, 2025 4:10 am

Tocco686 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 03, 2025 5:35 am I wonder if the catering company he’s referring to is Russo's On The Bay?

That's in HB Queens, the main avenue there, cross bay Blvd or some shit lol

I was wondering where he was talking about, I would've thought that place on the corner of rockaway in OZP- enzos, aldos?? Maybe one of the queens guys know where I mean, Amoroso was the owners name.

I get the feeling Scott pays a low rate associate of the Gambinos for "info". Whoever his source is, seems like he takes it as gospel. At best they get secondhand rumors, at worst they're making shit up. But all in all, Scott's probably just another mark for them. It's probably some junkie or gambler who needed 500 bucks...

I can't blame them to be honest, I'm over here thinking about offering him a "hot fresh scoop" for a couple hundred myself, just to see how dumb he is lmao

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Thu Apr 10, 2025 11:36 pm

RushStreet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 10, 2025 1:50 pm Again, Gene Gotti is not on parole. He's involved in the life, you can't keep him from doing what he wants to do.

He will become boss in my honest opinion.

by **RushStreet** » Thu Apr 10, 2025 1:50 pm

Again, Gene Gotti is not on parole. He's involved in the life, you can't keep him from doing what he wants to do.

He will become boss in my honest opinion.

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