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Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by JoePuzzles234 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 11:05 am

Tocco686 wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:22 am
JoePuzzles234 wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:50 am This is a partial family tree I put together based on my understanding of things:
toccozerillift.png
This is really neat. Great job on the family tree. Love seeing things like this. Was this all done through ancestory? I know it’s hard because a lot of these guys have the same first names and surnames but are not technically related. This must’ve taken some time to decipher all the guys. Great job again.
I'm glad you find it valuable, I became interested in Detroit largely because of your posts

It was put together using Ancestris and Geneanet - luckily there are some FBI documents and partial family trees on websites like Findagrave and FamilySearch that help as a baseline

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by Dr031718 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:46 am

7digits wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:41 am I believe it’s in the first Patreon episode but above said specifically that he is NOT related at all to Jack Tocco. Totally distinct family tree he said . His uncle was Anthony Zerelli and his grandfather was Joe Zerelli
Jack Tocco’s father was his Great uncle. Jack Tocco’s mother was Joe Zerrillis sister so Nove and Jack Tocco would be 2nd cousins

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by 7digits » Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:42 am

*that should say Nove not above

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by 7digits » Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:41 am

I believe it’s in the first Patreon episode but above said specifically that he is NOT related at all to Jack Tocco. Totally distinct family tree he said . His uncle was Anthony Zerelli and his grandfather was Joe Zerelli

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by Tocco686 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:22 am

JoePuzzles234 wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:50 am This is a partial family tree I put together based on my understanding of things:
toccozerillift.png
This is really neat. Great job on the family tree. Love seeing things like this. Was this all done through ancestory? I know it’s hard because a lot of these guys have the same first names and surnames but are not technically related. This must’ve taken some time to decipher all the guys. Great job again.

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by JoePuzzles234 » Sat Feb 15, 2025 5:09 am

pharion wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:03 pm
JoePuzzles234 wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:50 am This is a partial family tree I put together based on my understanding of things:
toccozerillift.png
Wasn’t there a Vito “Billy” Tocco who was a made member? If so, do you know if Jack Sr and Anthony Sr is the father?
Outside of Black Bill Tocco, father of Giacomo William and Anthony Joseph, I've never seen another Vito/Billy Tocco identified as a Detroit member

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by pharion » Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:03 pm

JoePuzzles234 wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:50 am This is a partial family tree I put together based on my understanding of things:
toccozerillift.png
Wasn’t there a Vito “Billy” Tocco who was a made member? If so, do you know if Jack Sr and Anthony Sr is the father?

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by PolackTony » Fri Feb 14, 2025 10:15 am

JoePuzzles234 wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:50 am This is a partial family tree I put together based on my understanding of things:
toccozerillift.png
Good tree and it all looks accurate to me. We can see that Dr031718 was correct in his previous post, as Jack Tocco and Nove’s mother Josephine Zerilli, were indeed first cousins (Josephine’s father Joe Z was the brother of Black Bill’s wife Rosalia Zerilli; as noted above, their mother was also a Tocco but it’s unclear if she was related in any significant way to any of these other Toccos). In his discussion with Scott, Nove was obviously saying that the two *Tocco* lines as such were only distantly related (to me it seems to have been quite distant), as distinct from relatedness via the Zerilli line.

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by Sam22 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 6:16 am

Is it just me or does it seem like this guy would have much more info on Detroit and their history or is he holding back?

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by JoePuzzles234 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 2:50 am

This is a partial family tree I put together based on my understanding of things:
toccozerillift.png

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by Honk » Wed Feb 12, 2025 7:47 pm

If these Tocco’s were connected to those Tocco’s that would be some serious interbreeding.

Always amazed at the connections within Detroit and then outside too with the Licata, Profaci and Bonanno. They’re all within 3-4 degrees of separation.

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by Honk » Wed Feb 12, 2025 7:45 pm

PolackTony wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 5:04 pm
Dr031718 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 3:06 pm
Honk wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:58 pm Was Nove a first or second cousin to Jake Tocco? He references Joe Zerilli as being his grandfather (I think) so I’m confused on the family relationship.
Second cousins. His mother and jack Tocco were 1st cousins
I could be wrong and there are, of course, dense connections between some of these Detroit families. But Nove said himself that he is only related quite distantly to the other Toccos from back in Favarotta, Terrasini.

This matches with what I’ve found when looking into some of these people in the past. Nove’s dad was Paul J Tocco, whose dad in turn was Onofrio “Louis” Tocco of Favarotta (Nove’s namesake). I was able to trace back the genealogy of this family for several generations and saw no relation to Giacomo Tocco, father of Black Bill and grandfather/namesake of Jack Tocco. Now, Paul Tocco’s older brother Peter did marry Nicolina “Evelyn” Tocco (so, she was Evelyn Tocco Tocco lol), a daughter of Black Bill’s brother Giacomo Tocco Jr. Thus, Nove’s aunt by marriage was a first cousin of Jack Tocco. As people probably already know, Nove’s mother, Josephine Dolores Zerilli was a daughter of *the* Joe Zerilli. Joe Z’s mother, in turn, was Rosalia Tocco (lol). I’m unaware of the exact relation she would have add to either of this other Tocco families, though given that her father was named Pietro, I’d venture that she may have been related to Onofrio Tocco’s branch.

Again, I could be wrong but what I found seems to have been supported by Nove himself. Tocco, is, of course, one of the single most common surnames in the comune of Terrasini.

Wow, that’s a great rundown. Now that you say it, I recall Nove saying that too.

Thanks!

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by PolackTony » Wed Feb 12, 2025 5:04 pm

Dr031718 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 3:06 pm
Honk wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:58 pm Was Nove a first or second cousin to Jake Tocco? He references Joe Zerilli as being his grandfather (I think) so I’m confused on the family relationship.
Second cousins. His mother and jack Tocco were 1st cousins
I could be wrong and there are, of course, dense connections between some of these Detroit families. But Nove said himself that he is only related quite distantly to the other Toccos from back in Favarotta, Terrasini.

This matches with what I’ve found when looking into some of these people in the past. Nove’s dad was Paul J Tocco, whose dad in turn was Onofrio “Louis” Tocco of Favarotta (Nove’s namesake). I was able to trace back the genealogy of this family for several generations and saw no relation to Giacomo Tocco, father of Black Bill and grandfather/namesake of Jack Tocco. Now, Paul Tocco’s older brother Peter did marry Nicolina “Evelyn” Tocco (so, she was Evelyn Tocco Tocco lol), a daughter of Black Bill’s brother Giacomo Tocco Jr. Thus, Nove’s aunt by marriage was a first cousin of Jack Tocco. As people probably already know, Nove’s mother, Josephine Dolores Zerilli was a daughter of *the* Joe Zerilli. Joe Z’s mother, in turn, was Rosalia Tocco (lol). I’m unaware of the exact relation she would have add to either of this other Tocco families, though given that her father was named Pietro, I’d venture that she may have been related to Onofrio Tocco’s branch.

Again, I could be wrong but what I found seems to have been supported by Nove himself. Tocco, is, of course, one of the single most common surnames in the comune of Terrasini.

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by Honk » Wed Feb 12, 2025 4:55 pm

Dr031718 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 3:06 pm
Honk wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:58 pm Was Nove a first or second cousin to Jake Tocco? He references Joe Zerilli as being his grandfather (I think) so I’m confused on the family relationship.
Second cousins. His mother and jack Tocco were 1st cousins
Thanks!

Re: Nove Tocco Q&A notes (31 Jan)

by Dr031718 » Wed Feb 12, 2025 3:06 pm

Honk wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:58 pm Was Nove a first or second cousin to Jake Tocco? He references Joe Zerilli as being his grandfather (I think) so I’m confused on the family relationship.
Second cousins. His mother and jack Tocco were 1st cousins

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