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CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:38 am

Ozgoz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 3:28 am Do we have an established well accepted structure from farm to fork? lol

I presume it’s

1. Farmers
2. Processors (farmed product into paste?)
3. Local Transporters (from processing labs to intl. hubs?)
4. International transporters (the big major players here?)
5. Major wholesalers in the west (LCN here?)
6. Mid level dealers (or perhaps further down, here?)
7. Street level dealers (the guy selling it in grams)

Is that roughly correct or am I missing/adding steps?


I see cartels in steps 3/4

major OC groups step 5 (LCN until mid 80s?)

Perhaps LCN now step 6?

Or am I missing an extra step between 6 and 7? I don’t see a LCN capo laying it off to a street dealer, we’ve not gotten that low yet, have we?

The 1st 3...... Im not sure if they matter? I dunno...

Unless the Mexicans have made major inroads into the refining processes, I think these are basically locals. Controlled BY locals.


4. Western Hemisphere, Mexico. They have the border.
Europe? Italians, Albanians, Dutch and Serbs, I think handle the majority. Thst Irish guy Kinahan had a big organization too.


5. In the 80s. Yeah. Now.... I think It's Mexicans. East coast, MAYBE Dominicans? I'll bet money all the coke goes to Europe, and NY is just the transhipment point. Like what the Corona Queens guy was doing.

6 and 7 depend on where you are talking about. In Palermo, they are the mid-level dealers, and Ndrangheta are the suppliers/importers. In that Lombard mafia system, that Consortium was sourcing a ton of coke a month, and all the dealers were theirs too. Horizontal/ Vertical integration.


Also..... don't sleep on this development....

https://www.voanews.com/a/discovery-of- ... 93617.html

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:38 am 6 and 7 depend on where you are talking about. In Palermo, they are the mid-level dealers, and Ndrangheta are the suppliers/importers. In that Lombard mafia system, that Consortium was sourcing a ton of coke a month, and all the dealers were theirs too. Horizontal/ Vertical integration.

Ozgoz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 3:28 am Do we have an established well accepted structure from farm to fork? lol

I presume it’s

1. Farmers
2. Processors (farmed product into paste?)
3. Local Transporters (from processing labs to intl. hubs?)
4. International transporters (the big major players here?)
5. Major wholesalers in the west (LCN here?)
6. Mid level dealers (or perhaps further down, here?)
7. Street level dealers (the guy selling it in grams)

Is that roughly correct or am I missing/adding steps?


I see cartels in steps 3/4

major OC groups step 5 (LCN until mid 80s?)

Perhaps LCN now step 6?

Or am I missing an extra step between 6 and 7? I don’t see a LCN capo laying it off to a street dealer, we’ve not gotten that low yet, have we?

Ozgoz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 3:28 am Do we have an established well accepted structure from farm to fork? lol

I presume it’s

1. Farmers
2. Processors (farmed product into paste?)
3. Local Transporters (from processing labs to intl. hubs?)
4. International transporters (the big major players here?)
5. Major wholesalers in the west (LCN here?)
6. Mid level dealers (or perhaps further down, here?)
7. Street level dealers (the guy selling it in grams)

Is that roughly correct or am I missing/adding steps?


I see cartels in steps 3/4

major OC groups step 5 (LCN until mid 80s?)

Perhaps LCN now step 6?

Or am I missing an extra step between 6 and 7? I don’t see a LCN capo laying it off to a street dealer, we’ve not gotten that low yet, have we?

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 6:03 am

Luca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 7:12 pm It seems to me that out of the five families, the Colombo’s had the least amount of involvement in drugs. Is this true?

Relatively speaking, both historically and in more recent times I would say yes.

Luca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 7:12 pm It seems to me that out of the five families, the Colombo’s had the least amount of involvement in drugs. Is this true?

7digits wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 10:13 pmNot new I knew you on the other forums like real deal and gangsterbb. You were and are a probation officer. I’m familiar with you. Anyways not looking to fight. Just want to have A conversation about an interview w an FBI agent. A rational conversation not discuss opinions just about what the case that Ted Otto talked about working with HSI and ICE that involved the current leadership of the Gambinos and them being involved in an industrial scale in importing mind blowing amounts of cocaine globally. A case that according to him has not yet been adjudicated and is still ongoing….

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 02, 2025 2:15 pm

7digits wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:38 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:51 pm

7digits wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 6:07 am According to a recent interview w Ted Otto he said “he can’t specify what cause it’s an ongoing case but the Gambino family and the people that are running it are involved in importing unbelievable amounts of cocaine, multi metric tons. It’s an ongoing case, so I can’t comment more than that but it will be adjudicated in the future”

Multi metric tons? The source gives it some weight but I'll believe that when I see it.

Lol yeah I’m gonna take the words of Ted Otto over yourself. Who is ex FBI and said he was working on the case until he retired and that he was every clear it’s happening and that it was a case that involved the leaders of the Gambino Family along with the Mafia in Italy

Are you saying Ted Otto is lying and making it up?

You're new here so you're not aware pretty much nobody cites the FBI more than I do. So the idea you look to the feds more than I do isn't going to fly.

At the same time, I'm familiar with the American family's level of involvement in the drug trade. Look at Otto's quote below.

Without going into a lot of detail, and it's stating what is obvious, the role that at least one of the five families plays in international drug trafficking is stunning. In the world of trafficking. If you're a drug dealer and you can access a complete kilo of cocaine, you're in a stratosphere. You were so far above street level stuff that's one kilo. If you can bundle twenty kilows, you're a big market player. You're a trafficker. What this scheme involved was trafficking cocaine on an industrial scale, like mind blowing amounts of coke, mind blowing. That's one of the aspects that really grabbed our attention, specifically my attention as I was heading out.

The New York families can access a kilo of cocaine and can bundle 20 kilos. However, when you're talking about moving cocaine by the metric ton - and that seems to be more you saying that than Otto - that's going to be one of the crime groups in Italy, usually the Ndrangheta. We've seen several cases over the past 10 or 15 years of some NY families playing a marginal role with Italian groups in some large-scale international rings. However, we've never seen an American mob family moving cocaine on a multi-metric ton scale. Not independently, nor as the primary mover in partnership with others. And that includes in the past when the LCN had a bigger stake in the drug trade.

Now feel free to go back to watching Scott B's Patreon.

7digits wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:38 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:51 pm

7digits wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 6:07 am According to a recent interview w Ted Otto he said “he can’t specify what cause it’s an ongoing case but the Gambino family and the people that are running it are involved in importing unbelievable amounts of cocaine, multi metric tons. It’s an ongoing case, so I can’t comment more than that but it will be adjudicated in the future”

Multi metric tons? The source gives it some weight but I'll believe that when I see it.

Lol yeah I’m gonna take the words of Ted Otto over yourself. Who is ex FBI and said he was working on the case until he retired and that he was every clear it’s happening and that it was a case that involved the leaders of the Gambino Family along with the Mafia in Italy

Are you saying Ted Otto is lying and making it up?

Without going into a lot of detail, and it's stating what is obvious, the role that at least one of the five families plays in international drug trafficking is stunning. In the world of trafficking. If you're a drug dealer and you can access a complete kilo of cocaine, you're in a stratosphere. You were so far above street level stuff that's one kilo. If you can bundle twenty kilows, you're a big market player. You're a trafficker. What this scheme involved was trafficking cocaine on an industrial scale, like mind blowing amounts of coke, mind blowing. That's one of the aspects that really grabbed our attention, specifically my attention as I was heading out.

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Mar 02, 2025 5:23 am

7digits wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:45 pm Maybe Ted Otto imagined he was working that case which he said involved the authorities here like ICE and HSI and authorities in Italy. Maybe they all imagined working it, this ongoing case. I don’t even understand how this can be even remotely questioned as anything other than fact. You think they have shipping manifests and informants and videos and arrests which he said have happened but the case is a continuation also of previous cases, there’s aren’t opinions, it’s facts.
How many Wiseguy cases in New York have you worked and investigated? Otto has worked hundreds and hundreds. He said his first OC case started in 1991. They investigated a violent crew of young Bonnano associates from the Bronx who were doing everything from drugs to home invasions to car jackings and were kicking up money and doing everything they could to impress there guy who was a solider at the time in the early 90s and later rose to be Acting Boss, Vinny Basciano

Do you referring to Bath Avenue Crew?

7digits wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:45 pm Maybe Ted Otto imagined he was working that case which he said involved the authorities here like ICE and HSI and authorities in Italy. Maybe they all imagined working it, this ongoing case. I don’t even understand how this can be even remotely questioned as anything other than fact. You think they have shipping manifests and informants and videos and arrests which he said have happened but the case is a continuation also of previous cases, there’s aren’t opinions, it’s facts.
How many Wiseguy cases in New York have you worked and investigated? Otto has worked hundreds and hundreds. He said his first OC case started in 1991. They investigated a violent crew of young Bonnano associates from the Bronx who were doing everything from drugs to home invasions to car jackings and were kicking up money and doing everything they could to impress there guy who was a solider at the time in the early 90s and later rose to be Acting Boss, Vinny Basciano