THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 10:03 am One of the Cicero guys that I rather not name got in a fight at Capri recently and is currently banned by Gigi from coming for a while bc of the the police heat. Surprised Scott didn’t mention that in the article.

Ivan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:03 am

Coloboy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:50 am I have to chuckle….. high profile like putting a framed picture of yourself (Solly D), on the top of a chart, publicly displayed in a restaurant , above Al Capone and Sam Giancana?

Yeah you got a point there, lol. Though some little wall display in a restaurant way out in the exurbs isn't quite on the same scale as going on five news channels or acting like Gigi does. Nevertheless, if this is true you'd have to think that the guys would have thought "you did a jail interview."

Coloboy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:50 am

Ivan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:32 am Intriguing Scott article up today where his sources are telling him that Solly D has sent word to the Cicero crew to cool it with flashy, high-profile shit. Assuming this has to do with Gigi's celebrity, Louie going on five different local news stations (he was very thorough with that, lol), etc. etc. if true.

I've had multiple people tell me that Rainone has an Instagram with pictures of the crew all over it, but I cannot find it. Either that's bullshit or he keeps names off it so it's hard to search.

I have to chuckle….. high profile like putting a framed picture of yourself (Solly D), on the top of a chart, publicly displayed in a restaurant , above Al Capone and Sam Giancana?

In all seriousness, this actually sounds plausible. A few of those Cicero guys have been pretty public lately. I don’t think you are ever going to see Albie Vena spouting off on every local news station about the plague of gang violence. lol

Coloboy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:50 am I have to chuckle….. high profile like putting a framed picture of yourself (Solly D), on the top of a chart, publicly displayed in a restaurant , above Al Capone and Sam Giancana?

Ivan wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:32 am Intriguing Scott article up today where his sources are telling him that Solly D has sent word to the Cicero crew to cool it with flashy, high-profile shit. Assuming this has to do with Gigi's celebrity, Louie going on five different local news stations (he was very thorough with that, lol), etc. etc. if true.

I've had multiple people tell me that Rainone has an Instagram with pictures of the crew all over it, but I cannot find it. Either that's bullshit or he keeps names off it so it's hard to search.

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 4:12 pm

SonnyC wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:07 pm

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:03 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:05 pm

PolackTony wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 8:46 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 7:14 pm Tony, did you ever get a chance to look into the Gironda connection from that bust a few weeks ago?

Thanks for the reminder on this. It's the perfect Chicago story: McPier, snowplow contract kickbacks, and guys from Bridgeport.

I believe that the Dominick Gironda currently under Federal indictment for fraud is the son (maybe nephew) of LIUNA bigshot Nick Gironda. Nick Gironda's parents were Dominick Gironda and Angelina Bertucci. Angelina was, of course, the daughter of Chicago captain Bruno Roti Sr and his wife Marianna Bertucci, and a sister of Chicago LCN member Fred Roti, and thus Nick Gironda was also the nephew of captain Frank "Skids" Caruso and wife Catherine Roti, and first cousin of Frank "Toots" and Bruno Caruso. Nick Gironda was placed in mobbed-up LIUNA Local 1001 by Bruno Caruso and Accardo son-in-law Eric Kumerow, and succeeded Caruso in 2001 as head of the Local when the latter was removed from the position due to LCN ties. Local 1001, representing thousands of core employees of the Department of Streets and Sanitation of the City of Chicago, was for decades basically a personal fief of the Roti/Caruso clan.

I had mentioned just above that the Italian community of Chinatown/Armour Square/Bridgeport is characterized by very tightly knit families from a handful of towns, so this is a great example. The Girondas are paesani of the Roti, Bertucci, Spina, Andriacchi, Tassione, Nardi, et al families, all hailing from the small village of Simbario in the hills of the modern province of Vibo Valentia, Calabria (historically this was in Catanzaro province). While Nick Gironda's mother-in-law was a Bertucci, his mother, Maria Rosa Bertucci, was also. One of Nick Gironda's brothers, Joseph "DaDa" Gironda, married Theresa Bertucci, both of whose parents were Bertuccis lol. You see this with the Simbariani a lot, multiple generations of intermarriage and cousin marriages. They are basically all one huge clan. And despite having been entrenched as influential clout brokers in Chicago for over a century, these families maintained close ties to relatives back in Simbario. Unsurprisingly, in recent years, Bruno Caruso was President of the San Rocco di Simbario Society (founded in the early 20th century by his grandfather, Bruno Roti Sr), while Nick Gironda was Vice Pres:

Great stuff as always

That's a cast of characters affiliated with this - are the two Spinas the brother of Chris Spina? Interesting if so with the Grand Avenue and Chinatown guys together.

No, no relation I think. Origins in both Taylor Street and Bridgeport. Related to Bruno Spina who was an Outfit guy, at least per family lore.

There is also a Jim Spina that owns Demitasse Cafe on Taylor street next to Mario’s. He’s a really good guy. He might be from Grand Ave which could make him related to Chris Spina.

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:46 am

Snakes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:37 am

Aunt+Baby wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:17 am Anyone know why most chicago posts get pulled down on Reddit? Someone posed a question as to whether or not Louie Rainone was going to get reprimanded by the Cataudellas for his news interviews, and the post got taken down

Not sure, but how is anyone going to be able to answer that question?

I've actually been warned of this by sources who share photos and intel with me on Chicago. The Chicago guys monitor their names on the internet and have their lawyers sue. I was told (and I was not a member) that on the original Real Deal forum, there was a Chicago Outfit guy whose name could not be typed as he had given Kenny several 'Cease and Desists' and was monitoring the forum. I tend to think the Joe Fosco saga kind of intensified this in Chicago - some of these guys are totally unknown to law enforcement or have been off the radar for several decades like Caruso, Ignoffo, etc.

chicagodog wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 9:15 pm If you do stay at an Airbnb in Chicago I wouldn’t stay in Bridgeport, just my opinion.

Ivan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:50 pm Bridgeport sounds... interesting, lol.

I really need to take like a month, get an Air B&B and seriously experience Chicago. I lived there for 3 months in 2013~2014 but lived in Old Town the whole time and never really left Yuppie Land (one thing that really struck me at the time is that no one in that area seemed to speak with a Chciago accent, and when they did they actually lived in the suburbs). Visited a friend in Logan's Square for a week but it was already all hipster then. Some of the yuppie and hipster broads were hot though.

funkster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:41 pm Late to the conversation but toots is big into rodeo and
I know there’s a YouTube video of him out there somewhere riding a horse as I recall.

Did you catch this? Posted it a couple days ago. This is purportedly him in cowboy mode.

SonnyC wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:07 pm

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:03 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:05 pm

PolackTony wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 8:46 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 7:14 pm Tony, did you ever get a chance to look into the Gironda connection from that bust a few weeks ago?

Thanks for the reminder on this. It's the perfect Chicago story: McPier, snowplow contract kickbacks, and guys from Bridgeport.

I believe that the Dominick Gironda currently under Federal indictment for fraud is the son (maybe nephew) of LIUNA bigshot Nick Gironda. Nick Gironda's parents were Dominick Gironda and Angelina Bertucci. Angelina was, of course, the daughter of Chicago captain Bruno Roti Sr and his wife Marianna Bertucci, and a sister of Chicago LCN member Fred Roti, and thus Nick Gironda was also the nephew of captain Frank "Skids" Caruso and wife Catherine Roti, and first cousin of Frank "Toots" and Bruno Caruso. Nick Gironda was placed in mobbed-up LIUNA Local 1001 by Bruno Caruso and Accardo son-in-law Eric Kumerow, and succeeded Caruso in 2001 as head of the Local when the latter was removed from the position due to LCN ties. Local 1001, representing thousands of core employees of the Department of Streets and Sanitation of the City of Chicago, was for decades basically a personal fief of the Roti/Caruso clan.

I had mentioned just above that the Italian community of Chinatown/Armour Square/Bridgeport is characterized by very tightly knit families from a handful of towns, so this is a great example. The Girondas are paesani of the Roti, Bertucci, Spina, Andriacchi, Tassione, Nardi, et al families, all hailing from the small village of Simbario in the hills of the modern province of Vibo Valentia, Calabria (historically this was in Catanzaro province). While Nick Gironda's mother-in-law was a Bertucci, his mother, Maria Rosa Bertucci, was also. One of Nick Gironda's brothers, Joseph "DaDa" Gironda, married Theresa Bertucci, both of whose parents were Bertuccis lol. You see this with the Simbariani a lot, multiple generations of intermarriage and cousin marriages. They are basically all one huge clan. And despite having been entrenched as influential clout brokers in Chicago for over a century, these families maintained close ties to relatives back in Simbario. Unsurprisingly, in recent years, Bruno Caruso was President of the San Rocco di Simbario Society (founded in the early 20th century by his grandfather, Bruno Roti Sr), while Nick Gironda was Vice Pres:

Great stuff as always

That's a cast of characters affiliated with this - are the two Spinas the brother of Chris Spina? Interesting if so with the Grand Avenue and Chinatown guys together.

No, no relation I think. Origins in both Taylor Street and Bridgeport. Related to Bruno Spina who was an Outfit guy, at least per family lore.

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:03 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:05 pm

PolackTony wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 8:46 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 7:14 pm Tony, did you ever get a chance to look into the Gironda connection from that bust a few weeks ago?

Thanks for the reminder on this. It's the perfect Chicago story: McPier, snowplow contract kickbacks, and guys from Bridgeport.

I believe that the Dominick Gironda currently under Federal indictment for fraud is the son (maybe nephew) of LIUNA bigshot Nick Gironda. Nick Gironda's parents were Dominick Gironda and Angelina Bertucci. Angelina was, of course, the daughter of Chicago captain Bruno Roti Sr and his wife Marianna Bertucci, and a sister of Chicago LCN member Fred Roti, and thus Nick Gironda was also the nephew of captain Frank "Skids" Caruso and wife Catherine Roti, and first cousin of Frank "Toots" and Bruno Caruso. Nick Gironda was placed in mobbed-up LIUNA Local 1001 by Bruno Caruso and Accardo son-in-law Eric Kumerow, and succeeded Caruso in 2001 as head of the Local when the latter was removed from the position due to LCN ties. Local 1001, representing thousands of core employees of the Department of Streets and Sanitation of the City of Chicago, was for decades basically a personal fief of the Roti/Caruso clan.

I had mentioned just above that the Italian community of Chinatown/Armour Square/Bridgeport is characterized by very tightly knit families from a handful of towns, so this is a great example. The Girondas are paesani of the Roti, Bertucci, Spina, Andriacchi, Tassione, Nardi, et al families, all hailing from the small village of Simbario in the hills of the modern province of Vibo Valentia, Calabria (historically this was in Catanzaro province). While Nick Gironda's mother-in-law was a Bertucci, his mother, Maria Rosa Bertucci, was also. One of Nick Gironda's brothers, Joseph "DaDa" Gironda, married Theresa Bertucci, both of whose parents were Bertuccis lol. You see this with the Simbariani a lot, multiple generations of intermarriage and cousin marriages. They are basically all one huge clan. And despite having been entrenched as influential clout brokers in Chicago for over a century, these families maintained close ties to relatives back in Simbario. Unsurprisingly, in recent years, Bruno Caruso was President of the San Rocco di Simbario Society (founded in the early 20th century by his grandfather, Bruno Roti Sr), while Nick Gironda was Vice Pres:

Great stuff as always

That's a cast of characters affiliated with this - are the two Spinas the brother of Chris Spina? Interesting if so with the Grand Avenue and Chinatown guys together.

PolackTony wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 8:46 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 7:14 pm Tony, did you ever get a chance to look into the Gironda connection from that bust a few weeks ago?

Thanks for the reminder on this. It's the perfect Chicago story: McPier, snowplow contract kickbacks, and guys from Bridgeport.

I believe that the Dominick Gironda currently under Federal indictment for fraud is the son (maybe nephew) of LIUNA bigshot Nick Gironda. Nick Gironda's parents were Dominick Gironda and Angelina Bertucci. Angelina was, of course, the daughter of Chicago captain Bruno Roti Sr and his wife Marianna Bertucci, and a sister of Chicago LCN member Fred Roti, and thus Nick Gironda was also the nephew of captain Frank "Skids" Caruso and wife Catherine Roti, and first cousin of Frank "Toots" and Bruno Caruso. Nick Gironda was placed in mobbed-up LIUNA Local 1001 by Bruno Caruso and Accardo son-in-law Eric Kumerow, and succeeded Caruso in 2001 as head of the Local when the latter was removed from the position due to LCN ties. Local 1001, representing thousands of core employees of the Department of Streets and Sanitation of the City of Chicago, was for decades basically a personal fief of the Roti/Caruso clan.

I had mentioned just above that the Italian community of Chinatown/Armour Square/Bridgeport is characterized by very tightly knit families from a handful of towns, so this is a great example. The Girondas are paesani of the Roti, Bertucci, Spina, Andriacchi, Tassione, Nardi, et al families, all hailing from the small village of Simbario in the hills of the modern province of Vibo Valentia, Calabria (historically this was in Catanzaro province). While Nick Gironda's mother-in-law was a Bertucci, his mother, Maria Rosa Bertucci, was also. One of Nick Gironda's brothers, Joseph "DaDa" Gironda, married Theresa Bertucci, both of whose parents were Bertuccis lol. You see this with the Simbariani a lot, multiple generations of intermarriage and cousin marriages. They are basically all one huge clan. And despite having been entrenched as influential clout brokers in Chicago for over a century, these families maintained close ties to relatives back in Simbario. Unsurprisingly, in recent years, Bruno Caruso was President of the San Rocco di Simbario Society (founded in the early 20th century by his grandfather, Bruno Roti Sr), while Nick Gironda was Vice Pres: