General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[Ivan]

Understand your point of view but i don't find that comment that compelling personally. I think the "you wouldn't believe me" comment was to point away from himself. He was a CI not a CW (or do I have them backwards? lol) it wasn't like he was testifying in court and could be charged with any murders he didn't mention. Surely he wouldn't mention him personally killing someone, that comment makes perfect sense to me I could see myself saying something like that to point away from myself. The LaPietra comment is more interesting to me since it was to another mobster and also because it's definitely referring to Accardo, even if Butch's comment was genuine it could be about someone else.

The "wouldn't believe" comment on its own isn't compelling; combined with LaPietra's comment it is. Just my opinion. My view on this (i.e., leaning toward Accardo doing it personally) is something for the "beliefs without evidence" thread I suppose.

[Camo]

Understand your point of view but i don't find that comment that compelling personally. I think the "you wouldn't believe me" comment was to point away from himself. He was a CI not a CW (or do I have them backwards? lol) it wasn't like he was testifying in court and could be charged with any murders he didn't mention. Surely he wouldn't mention him personally killing someone, that comment makes perfect sense to me I could see myself saying something like that to point away from myself. The LaPietra comment is more interesting to me since it was to another mobster and also because it's definitely referring to Accardo, even if Butch's comment was genuine it could be about someone else.

The "wouldn't believe" comment on its own isn't compelling; combined with LaPietra's comment it is. Just my opinion. My view on this (i.e., leaning toward Accardo doing it personally) is something for the "beliefs without evidence" thread I suppose.

To be fair there is evidence. There's people claiming it, second or third hand but that's still evidence.

[Ivan]

To be fair there is evidence. There's people claiming it, second or third hand but that's still evidence.

Yeah but it's not conclusive. Many of the things in that thread have some form of evidence to some extent, it's just not enough to prove the claims.

More like a "beliefs without proof" thread I guess.

[Camo]

To be fair there is evidence. There's people claiming it, second or third hand but that's still evidence.

Yeah but it's not conclusive. Many of the things in that thread have some form of evidence to some extent, it's just not enough to prove the claims.

More like a "beliefs without proof" thread I guess.

Yeah i'm being a bit pedantic i understand what the thread was for and may have even posted something with evidence just nothing conclusive in it myself.

To be very literal though there's more evidence that Accardo was involved than Butch i believe? As i don't think anyone directly accused Butch it's just what everyone believes due to the circumstances. I could be wrong about that though.

[Aunt+Baby]

Ciotti is by far one of the most interesting characters in the history of this family. There’s never been any confirmation that he was straightened out, right? And yet at a VERY early age (he died in 2002-3, at the young age of 58). So as early as his late 20s, he was being entrusted with some very serious shit & was in the loop on a lot of high up shit.

I always thought Fosco exaggerated his status, but maybe not so much. In one article, he refers to Ciotti as “underboss of the Chicago Outfit”, which was bizarre & didn’t make much sense. Was ciotti’s family mafia royalty or something? Super intriguing character