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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by RushStreet » Mon May 19, 2025 9:04 am

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 8:34 am Cut the kids out weirdo. Common sense is what we all exercise and you somehow just don't see to have an ounce of it. Someone should delete the photo or the forum gets put in jeopardy.
Why would we get in trouble when it can be accessed on Facebook by the general public? How about someone edits it for me because honestly I do not know how to black out people's faces.

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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Mon May 19, 2025 8:34 am

Cut the kids out weirdo. Common sense is what we all exercise and you somehow just don't see to have an ounce of it. Someone should delete the photo or the forum gets put in jeopardy.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by RushStreet » Mon May 19, 2025 7:56 am

aray22 wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 7:51 am
RushStreet wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 4:59 am IMG_7164.jpeg

Sam Scianna at his restaurant yesterday in Plainfield. Ive read on here he has big influence in the Unions currently. Whats his current status overall in regards to the Outfit?
Generally it's a good practice to mark out kids faces when posting pictures on here.
I shared it from his restaurants Facebook page.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by aray22 » Mon May 19, 2025 7:51 am

RushStreet wrote: ↑Mon May 19, 2025 4:59 am IMG_7164.jpeg

Sam Scianna at his restaurant yesterday in Plainfield. Ive read on here he has big influence in the Unions currently. Whats his current status overall in regards to the Outfit?
Generally it's a good practice to mark out kids faces when posting pictures on here.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by RushStreet » Mon May 19, 2025 4:59 am

IMG_7164.jpeg
Sam Scianna at his restaurant yesterday in Plainfield. Ive read on here he has big influence in the Unions currently. Whats his current status overall in regards to the Outfit?

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PolackTony » Sun May 18, 2025 7:25 am

Buddy Ciotti was a third generation Melrose Park guy, so his family had lots of longstanding ties in the Italian community in that town going back to the 1890s. Most germane here, his older sister Patricia Anne Ciotti was married to Tommy Eboli Jr. My assumption has been that the in-law relation to the Ebolis was Buddy’s “in” with the mafia.

I’m not aware of any evidence to support that he was ever made. He was not listed by the FBI as an LCN member in the 80s/90s. IIRC, Fosco was himself unsure if Buddy was made, though he did believe that Joey DeVita was made.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Aunt+Baby » Sun May 18, 2025 3:40 am

Ciotti is by far one of the most interesting characters in the history of this family. There’s never been any confirmation that he was straightened out, right? And yet at a VERY early age (he died in 2002-3, at the young age of 58). So as early as his late 20s, he was being entrusted with some very serious shit & was in the loop on a lot of high up shit.

I always thought Fosco exaggerated his status, but maybe not so much. In one article, he refers to Ciotti as “underboss of the Chicago Outfit”, which was bizarre & didn’t make much sense. Was ciotti’s family mafia royalty or something? Super intriguing character

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Camo » Sat May 17, 2025 5:24 pm

Ivan wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 5:22 pm
Camo wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 5:18 pm To be fair there is evidence. There's people claiming it, second or third hand but that's still evidence.
Yeah but it's not conclusive. Many of the things in that thread have some form of evidence to some extent, it's just not enough to prove the claims.

More like a "beliefs without proof" thread I guess.
Yeah i'm being a bit pedantic i understand what the thread was for and may have even posted something with evidence just nothing conclusive in it myself.

To be very literal though there's more evidence that Accardo was involved than Butch i believe? As i don't think anyone directly accused Butch it's just what everyone believes due to the circumstances. I could be wrong about that though.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Ivan » Sat May 17, 2025 5:22 pm

Camo wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 5:18 pm To be fair there is evidence. There's people claiming it, second or third hand but that's still evidence.
Yeah but it's not conclusive. Many of the things in that thread have some form of evidence to some extent, it's just not enough to prove the claims.

More like a "beliefs without proof" thread I guess.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Camo » Sat May 17, 2025 5:18 pm

Ivan wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 5:15 pm
Camo wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 4:56 pm Understand your point of view but i don't find that comment that compelling personally. I think the "you wouldn't believe me" comment was to point away from himself. He was a CI not a CW (or do I have them backwards? lol) it wasn't like he was testifying in court and could be charged with any murders he didn't mention. Surely he wouldn't mention him personally killing someone, that comment makes perfect sense to me I could see myself saying something like that to point away from myself. The LaPietra comment is more interesting to me since it was to another mobster and also because it's definitely referring to Accardo, even if Butch's comment was genuine it could be about someone else.
The "wouldn't believe" comment on its own isn't compelling; combined with LaPietra's comment it is. Just my opinion. My view on this (i.e., leaning toward Accardo doing it personally) is something for the "beliefs without evidence" thread I suppose.
To be fair there is evidence. There's people claiming it, second or third hand but that's still evidence.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Ivan » Sat May 17, 2025 5:15 pm

Camo wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 4:56 pm Understand your point of view but i don't find that comment that compelling personally. I think the "you wouldn't believe me" comment was to point away from himself. He was a CI not a CW (or do I have them backwards? lol) it wasn't like he was testifying in court and could be charged with any murders he didn't mention. Surely he wouldn't mention him personally killing someone, that comment makes perfect sense to me I could see myself saying something like that to point away from myself. The LaPietra comment is more interesting to me since it was to another mobster and also because it's definitely referring to Accardo, even if Butch's comment was genuine it could be about someone else.
The "wouldn't believe" comment on its own isn't compelling; combined with LaPietra's comment it is. Just my opinion. My view on this (i.e., leaning toward Accardo doing it personally) is something for the "beliefs without evidence" thread I suppose.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Camo » Sat May 17, 2025 5:04 pm

Actually, i think it may have been this thread from 2018 i was talking about - viewtopic.php?t=3646

It was probably discussed in this thread a number of times too though. I caught a post and missed Chin's one and thought that was being relitigated didn't realize there was new information.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Camo » Sat May 17, 2025 4:56 pm

Ivan wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 4:54 pm
Camo wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 4:46 pm I still find it very convoluted unless it was about Accardo feeling he had to do it for personal reasons like PolackTony suggested but it's still hard for me to buy personally.
It is hard to buy, at least upon first hearing the idea; that's why I find Blasi's "wouldn't believe" comment so compelling. That's just me though.
Understand your point of view but i don't find that comment that compelling personally. I think the "you wouldn't believe me" comment was to point away from himself. He was a CI not a CW (or do I have them backwards? lol) it wasn't like he was testifying in court and could be charged with any murders he didn't mention. Surely he wouldn't mention him personally killing someone, that comment makes perfect sense to me I could see myself saying something like that to point away from myself. The LaPietra comment is more interesting to me since it was to another mobster and also because it's definitely referring to Accardo, even if Butch's comment was genuine it could be about someone else.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Ivan » Sat May 17, 2025 4:54 pm

Camo wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 4:46 pm I still find it very convoluted unless it was about Accardo feeling he had to do it for personal reasons like PolackTony suggested but it's still hard for me to buy personally.
It is hard to buy, at least upon first hearing the idea; that's why I find Blasi's "wouldn't believe" comment so compelling. That's just me though.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Camo » Sat May 17, 2025 4:46 pm

Ivan wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 4:33 pm
Camo wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 3:47 pm I believe there was an earlier claim that Accardo was the actual gunman and it was discussed here.
I think you might be mixing me up with Tony? I said I was leaning toward it because of LaPietra's "You're never too old to do work like JB" comment ("work" to me sounds like more is going on with Accardo than murder conspiracy involvement) and Blasi's comment that the feds "wouldn't believe" him if he told them the truth, combined with the various circumstantial and other evidence Goudie et alia compiled. And I'm only slightly leaning toward Accardo doing it, not certain that he did it; we will probably never know for sure.
No, sorry i didn't mean any of you made the claim. I'm saying i believe it came up much earlier in the thread and was discussed here. This thread moves fast i missed what was being discussed and thought that old discussion came back up, didn't realize it was about new information. Just saw Chin's post after i responded to PolackTony, my fault. That "you're never too old" comment does suggest direct involvement but i could still see it being misinterpreted.

I still find it very convoluted unless it was about Accardo feeling he had to do it for personal reasons like PolackTony suggested but it's still hard for me to buy personally.

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