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Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by Adam » Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:26 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:58 am If we're counting guys born in Italy/Sicily as Zips than you can add Sergio Battaglia.


Pogo
Biagio Adornetto would count too. Even though they didn't use him at trials.

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:37 pm

Fuck your slipper.


Pogo

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by Browniety86 » Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:35 pm

PolackTony wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:18 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:06 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:02 pm
PolackTony wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:45 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:49 pm Yeah didn't Calabro immigrate here as a little kid? Little more than a toddler if I'm not mistaken.


Pogo
Yeah, Chicago boss Johnny Apes Monteleone was born in Sambuca and immigrated to Chicago as a little kid. No sense in describing a guy like that as a “zip”, though it’s historically interesting to note his birth, as well as keep in mind that it could have put him in a position to have closer personal contacts via relatives to people back in Sicily than a guy who was third gen American.

The latter point also relates to the notion of “zip factions” in the NYC Families. As people point out, some of these guys immigrated while young (or were even US born), and certainly weren’t “zips” themselves in the sense of guys who came to the US with pre-existing affiliations to the mafia in Sicily. But, the notion of “Sicilian” or “zip” factions points more toward identity and social networks, and thus guys who came as kids or were born here to parents who were first gen immigrants are still positioned within those immigrant-centered social and community networks in a different way than more Americanized guys.

It's so far removed by now, Tonto's a closer cousin.


Pogo

This was Uncle Junior for those who didn't get it.


Pogo
The fuck you want, a boutonniere?
When Junior said that I laughed my ass off

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by PolackTony » Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:18 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:06 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:02 pm
PolackTony wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:45 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:49 pm Yeah didn't Calabro immigrate here as a little kid? Little more than a toddler if I'm not mistaken.


Pogo
Yeah, Chicago boss Johnny Apes Monteleone was born in Sambuca and immigrated to Chicago as a little kid. No sense in describing a guy like that as a “zip”, though it’s historically interesting to note his birth, as well as keep in mind that it could have put him in a position to have closer personal contacts via relatives to people back in Sicily than a guy who was third gen American.

The latter point also relates to the notion of “zip factions” in the NYC Families. As people point out, some of these guys immigrated while young (or were even US born), and certainly weren’t “zips” themselves in the sense of guys who came to the US with pre-existing affiliations to the mafia in Sicily. But, the notion of “Sicilian” or “zip” factions points more toward identity and social networks, and thus guys who came as kids or were born here to parents who were first gen immigrants are still positioned within those immigrant-centered social and community networks in a different way than more Americanized guys.

It's so far removed by now, Tonto's a closer cousin.


Pogo

This was Uncle Junior for those who didn't get it.


Pogo
The fuck you want, a boutonniere?

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:06 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:02 pm
PolackTony wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:45 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:49 pm Yeah didn't Calabro immigrate here as a little kid? Little more than a toddler if I'm not mistaken.


Pogo
Yeah, Chicago boss Johnny Apes Monteleone was born in Sambuca and immigrated to Chicago as a little kid. No sense in describing a guy like that as a “zip”, though it’s historically interesting to note his birth, as well as keep in mind that it could have put him in a position to have closer personal contacts via relatives to people back in Sicily than a guy who was third gen American.

The latter point also relates to the notion of “zip factions” in the NYC Families. As people point out, some of these guys immigrated while young (or were even US born), and certainly weren’t “zips” themselves in the sense of guys who came to the US with pre-existing affiliations to the mafia in Sicily. But, the notion of “Sicilian” or “zip” factions points more toward identity and social networks, and thus guys who came as kids or were born here to parents who were first gen immigrants are still positioned within those immigrant-centered social and community networks in a different way than more Americanized guys.

It's so far removed by now, Tonto's a closer cousin.


Pogo

This was Uncle Junior for those who didn't get it.


Pogo

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by JeremyTheJew » Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:21 am

CabriniGreen wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:15 am
JeremyTheJew wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:08 am
CabriniGreen wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:15 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:04 am Correct. And most of those lumped into the "Sicilian faction" category are actually Americans. And most of those who were actually born in Italy/Sicily came over here as children or civilians and had no involvement with the Sciilain Mafia over there.


Pogo
This is actually something I've come to challenge recently. A lot of the " Sicilian faction" is similar to how in Canada they describe " Calabrian faction". It's like they mistake ethnic identity for formal affiliations......
So basically ur saying in Canada the calabrians were really born in Canada and/or immigrated very early??

Interesting bc iv always assumed that they came there purposely for the drug trade
This what I mean Jeremy. They all get lumped together. Like I was thinking specifically the Scoppas, but see how you automatically referenced Siderno? The Ndrangheta? This is exactly what I mean....

Would be interesting to see breakdowns of who really came from where up there

Canada is the last wild frontier that I wonder if will ever start a RICO like charge

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by CabriniGreen » Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:15 am

JeremyTheJew wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:08 am
CabriniGreen wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:15 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:04 am Correct. And most of those lumped into the "Sicilian faction" category are actually Americans. And most of those who were actually born in Italy/Sicily came over here as children or civilians and had no involvement with the Sciilain Mafia over there.


Pogo
This is actually something I've come to challenge recently. A lot of the " Sicilian faction" is similar to how in Canada they describe " Calabrian faction". It's like they mistake ethnic identity for formal affiliations......
So basically ur saying in Canada the calabrians were really born in Canada and/or immigrated very early??

Interesting bc iv always assumed that they came there purposely for the drug trade
This what I mean Jeremy. They all get lumped together. Like I was thinking specifically the Scoppas, but see how you automatically referenced Siderno? The Ndrangheta? This is exactly what I mean....

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by JeremyTheJew » Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:08 am

CabriniGreen wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:15 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:04 am Correct. And most of those lumped into the "Sicilian faction" category are actually Americans. And most of those who were actually born in Italy/Sicily came over here as children or civilians and had no involvement with the Sciilain Mafia over there.


Pogo
This is actually something I've come to challenge recently. A lot of the " Sicilian faction" is similar to how in Canada they describe " Calabrian faction". It's like they mistake ethnic identity for formal affiliations......
So basically ur saying in Canada the calabrians were really born in Canada and/or immigrated very early??

Interesting bc iv always assumed that they came there purposely for the drug trade

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by CabriniGreen » Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:15 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:04 am Correct. And most of those lumped into the "Sicilian faction" category are actually Americans. And most of those who were actually born in Italy/Sicily came over here as children or civilians and had no involvement with the Sciilain Mafia over there.


Pogo
This is actually something I've come to challenge recently. A lot of the " Sicilian faction" is similar to how in Canada they describe " Calabrian faction". It's like they mistake ethnic identity for formal affiliations......

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by Pogo The Clown » Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:02 pm

PolackTony wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:45 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:49 pm Yeah didn't Calabro immigrate here as a little kid? Little more than a toddler if I'm not mistaken.


Pogo
Yeah, Chicago boss Johnny Apes Monteleone was born in Sambuca and immigrated to Chicago as a little kid. No sense in describing a guy like that as a “zip”, though it’s historically interesting to note his birth, as well as keep in mind that it could have put him in a position to have closer personal contacts via relatives to people back in Sicily than a guy who was third gen American.

The latter point also relates to the notion of “zip factions” in the NYC Families. As people point out, some of these guys immigrated while young (or were even US born), and certainly weren’t “zips” themselves in the sense of guys who came to the US with pre-existing affiliations to the mafia in Sicily. But, the notion of “Sicilian” or “zip” factions points more toward identity and social networks, and thus guys who came as kids or were born here to parents who were first gen immigrants are still positioned within those immigrant-centered social and community networks in a different way than more Americanized guys.

It's so far removed by now, Tonto's a closer cousin.


Pogo

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by PolackTony » Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:45 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:49 pm Yeah didn't Calabro immigrate here as a little kid? Little more than a toddler if I'm not mistaken.


Pogo
Yeah, Chicago boss Johnny Apes Monteleone was born in Sambuca and immigrated to Chicago as a little kid. No sense in describing a guy like that as a “zip”, though it’s historically interesting to note his birth, as well as keep in mind that it could have put him in a position to have closer personal contacts via relatives to people back in Sicily than a guy who was third gen American.

The latter point also relates to the notion of “zip factions” in the NYC Families. As people point out, some of these guys immigrated while young (or were even US born), and certainly weren’t “zips” themselves in the sense of guys who came to the US with pre-existing affiliations to the mafia in Sicily. But, the notion of “Sicilian” or “zip” factions points more toward identity and social networks, and thus guys who came as kids or were born here to parents who were first gen immigrants are still positioned within those immigrant-centered social and community networks in a different way than more Americanized guys.

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by johnny_scootch » Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:45 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:11 pm Sebastiano “Sebby” Saracino


Pogo
Throw in his brother (not a rat) and we’ve got the Sicilian Faction of the Colombo Family.

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by felice » Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:16 pm

Sergio Maranghi in San Francisco

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by Pogo The Clown » Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:11 pm

Sebastiano “Sebby” Saracino


Pogo

Re: Sicilian Zips that flipped

by Dave65827 » Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:50 pm

Vincenzo Morena arguably. His family immigrated to NY around the 1980s according to the mob museum interview if I remember correctly. His whole cooperation stemmed from avoiding deportation from America and a promise to get into witsec

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