Sicilian Zips that flipped

[furiofromnaples]

The Sicilian Zips are seen as more tought that the american wiseguys but even them flipped.

https://nypost.com/2022/11/26/luigi-ron ... the-mafia/

Rosario Conti Bellocchi
Biagio Adornetto
Dino "Big Dino" Calabro
Luigi Ronsisvalle

[Pmac2]

A made guy in Rhode Island Nino something. Straight off the boat

[davidf1989]

Nine Cucinotta

[Pogo The Clown]

If we're counting guys born in Italy/Sicily as Zips than you can add Sergio Battaglia.


Pogo

[johnny_scootch]

The whole Sicilian > American thing is overblown. Genovese family is the shining example.

[Pogo The Clown]

Correct. And most of those lumped into the "Sicilian faction" category are actually Americans. And most of those who were actually born in Italy/Sicily came over here as children or civilians and had no involvement with the Sciilain Mafia over there.


Pogo

[furiofromnaples]

Anyone know Francesco Versaglia? In mafia membership chart are listed as from sicily.

[johnny_scootch]

Correct. And most of those lumped into the "Sicilian faction" category are actually Americans. And most of those who were actually born in Italy/Sicily came over here as children or civilians and had no involvement with the Sciilain Mafia over there.


Pogo

Dino Calabro is a perfect example. Somehow a kid who used to hang out, rob pot dealers and play handball at Seth Low park is considered a zip!?!

[Pogo The Clown]

Yeah didn't Calabro immigrate here as a little kid? Little more than a toddler if I'm not mistaken.


Pogo

[Dave65827]

Vincenzo Morena arguably. His family immigrated to NY around the 1980s according to the mob museum interview if I remember correctly. His whole cooperation stemmed from avoiding deportation from America and a promise to get into witsec

[Pogo The Clown]

Sebastiano “Sebby” Saracino


Pogo

[felice]

Sergio Maranghi in San Francisco

[johnny_scootch]

Sebastiano “Sebby” Saracino


Pogo

Throw in his brother (not a rat) and we’ve got the Sicilian Faction of the Colombo Family.

[PolackTony]

Yeah didn't Calabro immigrate here as a little kid? Little more than a toddler if I'm not mistaken.


Pogo

Yeah, Chicago boss Johnny Apes Monteleone was born in Sambuca and immigrated to Chicago as a little kid. No sense in describing a guy like that as a “zip”, though it’s historically interesting to note his birth, as well as keep in mind that it could have put him in a position to have closer personal contacts via relatives to people back in Sicily than a guy who was third gen American.

The latter point also relates to the notion of “zip factions” in the NYC Families. As people point out, some of these guys immigrated while young (or were even US born), and certainly weren’t “zips” themselves in the sense of guys who came to the US with pre-existing affiliations to the mafia in Sicily. But, the notion of “Sicilian” or “zip” factions points more toward identity and social networks, and thus guys who came as kids or were born here to parents who were first gen immigrants are still positioned within those immigrant-centered social and community networks in a different way than more Americanized guys.

[Pogo The Clown]

Yeah didn't Calabro immigrate here as a little kid? Little more than a toddler if I'm not mistaken.


Pogo

Yeah, Chicago boss Johnny Apes Monteleone was born in Sambuca and immigrated to Chicago as a little kid. No sense in describing a guy like that as a “zip”, though it’s historically interesting to note his birth, as well as keep in mind that it could have put him in a position to have closer personal contacts via relatives to people back in Sicily than a guy who was third gen American.

The latter point also relates to the notion of “zip factions” in the NYC Families. As people point out, some of these guys immigrated while young (or were even US born), and certainly weren’t “zips” themselves in the sense of guys who came to the US with pre-existing affiliations to the mafia in Sicily. But, the notion of “Sicilian” or “zip” factions points more toward identity and social networks, and thus guys who came as kids or were born here to parents who were first gen immigrants are still positioned within those immigrant-centered social and community networks in a different way than more Americanized guys.

It's so far removed by now, Tonto's a closer cousin.


Pogo