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TallGuy19 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:46 am It seems like the Sally Daz situation is more a reflection of the mob's reduced ability to engage in violence. Even if they did find out who was trying to kill him, what were they going to do? The Bonnanos wouldn't have much interest in killing one or two people, let alone potentially going to war. If they can't protect their associates from people who are willing to kill, then what do they really have left?

Teflon Dom wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:57 pm

TallGuy19 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:46 am It seems like the Sally Daz situation is more a reflection of the mob's reduced ability to engage in violence. Even if they did find out who was trying to kill him, what were they going to do? The Bonnanos wouldn't have much interest in killing one or two people, let alone potentially going to war. If they can't protect their associates from people who are willing to kill, then what do they really have left?

You really think any other families that had that kind of money kicked up to them for that long would sit in silence like they did? IMO, it is much more likely that Mancuso is an inept Boss.

Setting the example for, why would anyone pay them for protection if when it matters, they dont even protect?

They didn't have to kill anyone, just send some messages or tell people to back off or else? Seems like they didnt lift a finger and Vinny couldnt do much from prison.

TallGuy19 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:46 am It seems like the Sally Daz situation is more a reflection of the mob's reduced ability to engage in violence. Even if they did find out who was trying to kill him, what were they going to do? The Bonnanos wouldn't have much interest in killing one or two people, let alone potentially going to war. If they can't protect their associates from people who are willing to kill, then what do they really have left?

The Greek wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:59 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:07 am Reminds me of a Greek gambling operator in Queens who was paying the Luccheses back in the day. Don't recall his name but someone else was trying to move in on his operation and he went to Vic and Gas basically saying, "Aren't I supposed to get something in return for all the money I shell out?" They killed the guy trying to encroach on the Greek operator's territory.

Spiros Valentzas?

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:07 am Reminds me of a Greek gambling operator in Queens who was paying the Luccheses back in the day. Don't recall his name but someone else was trying to move in on his operation and he went to Vic and Gas basically saying, "Aren't I supposed to get something in return for all the money I shell out?" They killed the guy trying to encroach on the Greek operator's territory.

The only gesture of sympathy for Zottola's dilemma came from ex-acting Bonanno boss Vincent (Vinny Gorgeous) Basciano who is serving a life sentence. In taped talks from prison that Basciano had with Sally Daz and his son Salvatore, he told the Zotollas he would "make some calls" to "friends" on the street for them. But help never arrived. Basciano's Bronx-based successor, current Bonanno boss Michael (Mikey Nose) Mancuso, ignored the desperate longtime associate of his crime family.

NYNighthawk wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:26 pm Very interesting to learn Vinny "gorgeous" basciano has no pull anymore from inside the can. It says something when the former head of a family has no say anymore unlike Vic AMuso and Steve Crea who still have the juice!

Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:35 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:07 am Reminds me of a Greek gambling operator in Queens who was paying the Luccheses back in the day. Don't recall his name but someone else was trying to move in on his operation and he went to Vic and Gas basically saying, "Aren't I supposed to get something in return for all the money I shell out?" They killed the guy trying to encroach on the Greek operator's territory.

You mean the Beluga guy? Vladimir Reznov