THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Ed wrote:

B. wrote: One of the other possible informants from the 1960s would be Peter Maggio or someone close to him. There is a lot of info on Bruno's personal family, involvement with the cheese company, and other stuff that connects to Peter Maggio. Seems that either Maggio was running his mouth to an informant or was the informant himself.

Anything is possible but I think a lot of that kind of Intel comes from Ralph Schwartz, who was close to Bruno and Maggio, and managed some of their businesses. I think he became to share Intel sometime in the early 1960s.

B. wrote: One of the other possible informants from the 1960s would be Peter Maggio or someone close to him. There is a lot of info on Bruno's personal family, involvement with the cheese company, and other stuff that connects to Peter Maggio. Seems that either Maggio was running his mouth to an informant or was the informant himself.

Ed wrote:Looking at some of the old MF files from the 1960s, I always had a hunch Martorano may have fed some Intel to the FBI. If that were true, and he continued to share Intel into the 80s, I wouldn't be surprised to learn many of the details of the hit are buried somewhere in the files.(minimizing Martorano's guilt of course)

Lupara wrote:

B. wrote:One reason for the Simone murder being handled by the Gambinos was because they had essentially traded hits. The Philly family killed someone who had shot Trenton-based Aurello crew member Nick Rizzo and killed Rizzo's son, and the Gambinos killed Simone on Philly's behalf.

That also makes sense.

B. wrote:Huh? Are you talking about Riccobene? He wasn't part of the conspiracy.

I was basing that on an earlier post of yours in which you speculate about Riccobene's involvement. But perhaps I misinterpret?

Anyway I thank you and Pogo for being so explanatory. My knowledge on Philly is only basic and I'm just trying to fuel the debate a bit by raising questions.

B. wrote:One reason for the Simone murder being handled by the Gambinos was because they had essentially traded hits. The Philly family killed someone who had shot Trenton-based Aurello crew member Nick Rizzo and killed Rizzo's son, and the Gambinos killed Simone on Philly's behalf.

B. wrote:Huh? Are you talking about Riccobene? He wasn't part of the conspiracy.

Pogo The Clown wrote:Simone had reached out to Tronolone (the Cleveland Family Consiglieri) to reach out to NY to get backing in overthrowing Testa. Evidently NY sided with Testa but led Simone to believe that they were backing him. As part of the double cross the Gambinos agreed to back him which was why he was meeting with the Gambinos (He thought he was going to see Paul Castellano).


Pogo

Lupara wrote:

B. wrote:Decades earlier Harry Riccobene had blackballed Martorano from being made for reasons unknown and Bruno stayed true to that even though Martorano was one of his closest associates.

But then it also doesn't make sense that Martorano would conspire with the guy who sabotaged his carreer.

toto wrote:

Lupara wrote:

Pogo The Clown wrote:I should also add that Freselone claimed that Patty "Specs" Martirano (a north Jersey Soldier under Caponigro) was going to be the UnderBoss if Capongiro's coup had succeeded. If true it also calls into questin the role of Sindone and Simone. You'd figure if they were in on it one of them would have gotten the UnderBoss slot.


Pogo

I've wondered why Simone was killed by the Gambinos instead of Philly. What stake did the Gambinos have in Simone's fued with Testa? It seems more logical to me that they killed him to avenge Bruno, because of his friendship with Carlo.

This was Gambino members acting on order of the commission. It wasn't something only from the Gambino family. It's why the commission made an order to John Tronolone who was in friendship with Simone to trap him. That's why Tronolone tricked him and got him to meet with Gravano.