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by **CabriniGreen** » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:19 pm

TommyGambino wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:39 am
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:13 am
TommyGambino wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:28 am Civilians not understanding a career criminals mindset, shock
Whose a civilian? And you ain't no gangster....
Everyone on here is a civilian including me, when did I say I was a gangster.

It was a knee jerk reaction, like you sound like Mike Corleone in 1, lol...

But nah, it's not that they should behave like upstanding citizens, its that their criminal acumen was surprisingly sloppy. Remember, this crew was at the forefront of internet fraud before the 2000s even hit. Very slick operators.....

To me, dont shit where you eat. Like the Sopranos, dont sell coke on our garbage routes, when that's what we use to justify our lifestyle. Or ripoff the construction sites where we get big legit money contracts, or steal cars from the brokerage we use to facilitate complex stock schemes. If your a bookie, dont stiff the bettors, if a shylock, dont go nuts abusing guys to the point they cant pay. If a drug dealer, dont sell dummies or run off on the plug. Like dont run the shit into the ground, basically.

True mafia, IS supposed to operate in a grey area where there IS illegal activity, but its semilegit too, so hard to prove.The bid rigging is really the monstrously illegal part. Like take bid rigging. Theres a science to it, right? You dont just come in all obvious, otherwise it's clearly collusion. So you run the business the same....

Man, look at Calabria, they just busted some scheme, they had like, 86 front companies, phony factories and empty warehouses, trucks coming in and out simulating activity, all to defraud the government. There was no REAL business, these guys had a REAL BUSINESS!!!

by **TommyGambino** » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:39 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:13 am
TommyGambino wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:28 am Civilians not understanding a career criminals mindset, shock
Whose a civilian? And you ain't no gangster....

Everyone on here is a civilian including me, when did I say I was a gangster.

by **CabriniGreen** » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:13 am

TommyGambino wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:28 am Civilians not understanding a career criminals mindset, shock

Whose a civilian? And you ain't no gangster....

by **TommyGambino** » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:28 am

Civilians not understanding a career criminals mindset, shock

by **johnny_scootch** » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:27 am

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:35 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:22 pm Most job sites in NYC require the OSHA 30 but there are still some that allow the OSHA 10. It's very common for guys to just pay the fee not take the actual class all you need is a certified instructor to play ball and they aren't hard to find.
Exactly bro. I live in CT, but do work around there. The fact that the feds even mentioned that told me they didn't have much, agree?

Yeah 100% they had nothing of substance on those 2 guys.

by **Tonyd621** » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:35 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:22 pm Most job sites in NYC require the OSHA 30 but there are still some that allow the OSHA 10. It's very common for guys to just pay the fee not take the actual class all you need is a certified instructor to play ball and they aren't hard to find.

Exactly bro. I live in CT, but do work around there. The fact that the feds even mentioned that told me they didn't have much, agree?

by **Doobeez** » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:27 pm

Nice read this week. Thank you for posting it, dr..

by **johnny_scootch** » Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:22 pm

Most job sites in NYC require the OSHA 30 but there are still some that allow the OSHA 10. It's very common for guys to just pay the fee not take the actual class all you need is a certified instructor to play ball and they aren't hard to find.

by **Tonyd621** » Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:59 pm

As long as you take an osha 10 once every 5 years you don't even need to take an osha 30 ever again. That is why it's so ridiculous when I said earlier on in different thread that the feds even mentioned it.

by **Pmac2** » Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:26 pm

30hrs of videos and multiple choice test at the end of each section some retards probaly pay someone else to take the test for them if they have no brain or lack a attention span. ADHD

by **Pmac2** » Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:23 pm

I had to watch a 10hr video on the internet whenever I had free time. A hour here a hour there. Its comes in chapter and at the end of each one there's a multiple choice test you have to get so many rite. But that's a osha 10 card in NYC they make workers take osha 30hr course

by **Tonyd621** » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:56 pm

Bruno187 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:05 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:08 am Bruno187 you don't get 5 yrs for osha cards. You dnt even get jail time. Yeah it's a federal program, but it's run by the dept of labor; and we all know how good they are.

Tony, I didn't say they were going to sentence him to 5 years, but that's what they're looking at in the plea memorandum....Georgie and Ciaccia. To my knowledge Ciaccia doesn't even have a record, so it's unlikely he even gets time....Georgie might be another story.
Just like Andrew and Fiore are looking at 20 apiece, neither will get it but that's what the charge carries potentially.

My point was that HOW FUCKIN STUPID are you to dip out on a 30 hour class for Occupational Safety, and that because it happens to be run by a Federally run agency and not the County, or the City or whoever, now you are perpetrating a Federal Fraud case and subjecting yourself to a top sentence of 5 years, for what? Because you don't want to go sit in a class? Where's the gain? It doesn't make any sense. This whole case made no sense. They had a legitimate business that was bringing in a ton of money and getting big time contracts on major construction projects, and they could've continued to do that for years and years, but because "we're wiseguys, we do what the fuck we want", they brought the whole thing down and are gonna go do time now. Just stupid from any angle.

You got your gambling, your shylocking, anything illegit--continue with that, but don't fuck up a good thing that is legitimately producing by being short sighted and greedy.

I agree with everything you said but the osha class part.
As I have been in the building trades union all my life following some family members before me. An osha class is not run by an agency. It can be run by anyone. For example, I'm in the ironworkers union. I went to a plumbers union hall, paid the $100 fee showed up for 3 days and got certified. No written exam, no quiz, just videos. Then they send your name to the dept of labor a a month later you got a card in the mail with your name and identifying # to state the credentials of the class and such. There is no state official of any kind before, during, or after the class.

by **Bruno187** » Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:05 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:08 am Bruno187 you don't get 5 yrs for osha cards. You dnt even get jail time. Yeah it's a federal program, but it's run by the dept of labor; and we all know how good they are.

Tony, I didn't say they were going to sentence him to 5 years, but that's what they're looking at in the plea memorandum....Georgie and Ciaccia. To my knowledge Ciaccia doesn't even have a record, so it's unlikely he even gets time....Georgie might be another story.
Just like Andrew and Fiore are looking at 20 apiece, neither will get it but that's what the charge carries potentially.

My point was that HOW FUCKIN STUPID are you to dip out on a 30 hour class for Occupational Safety, and that because it happens to be run by a Federally run agency and not the County, or the City or whoever, now you are perpetrating a Federal Fraud case and subjecting yourself to a top sentence of 5 years, for what? Because you don't want to go sit in a class? Where's the gain? It doesn't make any sense. This whole case made no sense. They had a legitimate business that was bringing in a ton of money and getting big time contracts on major construction projects, and they could've continued to do that for years and years, but because "we're wiseguys, we do what the fuck we want", they brought the whole thing down and are gonna go do time now. Just stupid from any angle.

You got your gambling, your shylocking, anything illegit--continue with that, but don't fuck up a good thing that is legitimately producing by being short sighted and greedy.

by **Wiseguy** » Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:02 pm

Shellackhead wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:54 pm It shows up on the internet that Joe N Gallo was the representative for the Gambinos in the Concrete Club.

I don't recall him having any specific role in the concrete club. He was involved in one of the garment industry associations.

by **Shellackhead** » Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:54 pm

It shows up on the internet that Joe N Gallo was the representative for the Gambinos in the Concrete Club.

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