by Grouchy Sinatra » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:10 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:32 am
Grouchy Sinatra wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:12 pm
Just filtering it through reality, I can't imagine anyone in a life of crime out there hesitating to kill someone because of law enforcement logistics. I can see things like theft and looting going up during police cutbacks. That's a no brainer. But murder? Nah. Anyone determined to take someone's life is probably going to do it, or at least try to do it, no matter how many cops are running around out there in Hawaiian shirts.
Grouchy that's just not true in any realistic sense, maybe in you're imagination like you stated but not on planet Earth. The Plain Clothes Unit was detrimental to safety in Black communities and there is a direct correlation to the absolute skyrocketing murder percentage there. Gang members attacking gang members with impunity but also plenty random shootings because people aren't afraid to walk the streets with pistols anymore. No one is going after these guys because they have all been reassigned to the telephone reporting unit or to guard some paint on the floor in front of Trump Tower. No plain Clothes unit means one thing and one thing only..... black people will be shot killed and maimed by the dozens weekly.
Since 15 or so black people get killed by cops every year the cops must pull back and let 100's of black people get murdered. Sounds like a policy cooked up by the KKK but its the Democrats.
Correlation does not equal causation. There are a ton of things happening right now that could be blamed for an increasing murder rate. At best, police personnel numbers is merely one of these things, if even that, because I really don't believe anyone capable of and determined to kill someone would be stopped from at least trying no matter how many police are on the street. Police presence has an effect on misdemeanors, when the cat's away the mice will play...looting, vagrancy, aggressive panhandling, etc. The felon's mindset is totally different.
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Just filtering it through reality, I can't imagine anyone in a life of crime out there hesitating to kill someone because of law enforcement logistics. I can see things like theft and looting going up during police cutbacks. That's a no brainer. But murder? Nah. Anyone determined to take someone's life is probably going to do it, or at least try to do it, no matter how many cops are running around out there in Hawaiian shirts.
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Grouchy that's just not true in any realistic sense, maybe in you're imagination like you stated but not on planet Earth. The Plain Clothes Unit was detrimental to safety in Black communities and there is a direct correlation to the absolute skyrocketing murder percentage there. Gang members attacking gang members with impunity but also plenty random shootings because people aren't afraid to walk the streets with pistols anymore. No one is going after these guys because they have all been reassigned to the telephone reporting unit or to guard some paint on the floor in front of Trump Tower. No plain Clothes unit means one thing and one thing only..... black people will be shot killed and maimed by the dozens weekly.
Since 15 or so black people get killed by cops every year the cops must pull back and let 100's of black people get murdered. Sounds like a policy cooked up by the KKK but its the Democrats.
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Correlation does not equal causation. There are a ton of things happening right now that could be blamed for an increasing murder rate. At best, police personnel numbers is merely one of these things, if even that, because I really don't believe anyone capable of and determined to kill someone would be stopped from at least trying no matter how many police are on the street. Police presence has an effect on misdemeanors, when the cat's away the mice will play...looting, vagrancy, aggressive panhandling, etc. The felon's mindset is totally different.