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Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by dack2001 » Thu May 28, 2020 1:20 pm

Yes, that's what probably happened but in a different order. Arizona cops broke the case. They may have even charged him for running an ecstasy ring under Arizona law as a state case but probably they were planning to charge him and the feds got wind of it. The Feds probably reached out to the local guys and tried to help Sammy, "my blue heaven" style. Locals showed Feds that the conspiracy stretched across the country and they were going to prosecute the whole group and make big headlines.

At state trial it would come out how the Feds sponsored Sammy and set him up in Arizona. NO ONE in the fed system wanted that exposed at trial. Sammy is too high profile and got too much help. I would bet one thousand dollars that at some point a decision was made with the US Justice Department that they had to cut Sammy loose. the only way to do so was charge him and his entire family with conspiracy under federal law and threaten him with throwing his kid and wife in fed prison for 20 years. His son and wife get probation in Arizona if it stays a state case. The Feds put the squeeze on Sammy, forced him to plead and that why he's doing what he can to get back at them. I'm sure he feels they screwed him.

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by bert » Thu May 28, 2020 10:04 am

dack2001 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:00 am I saw you posted that Bert but you are missing my point. I'm saying that state prosecutors aren't stopping the FEDS. Here the state guys were going to file a case. May have tipped the feds hands into filing their own case but its very significant it was 20 years FED time he served. Now the state's attorney may have drawn publicity to the case and made it politically impossible for the Feds to help him, but that's a damn far cry from being UNABLE to help him. At the end of the day, I'm sure the agents who wanted to help were made to stand down while the justice department prosecuted him. Decisions to prosecute are made at the highest levels especially this one, and the state attorney generals authority is like a fart in the wind when it comes to the feds filing a case. If you don't think Sammy holds animus against the Feds for giving him 20 years when it could have been a glorified state case where he served 5-7 years...than we just have to disagree.


I see your point Dack, and it's not that I disagree with you, I am going by what was said of the case back then. You are right about the feds usually getting what they want with the state prosectors. If what was reported was accurate, this was a rarity

It could be that they put the story out that they were fighting for Gravano, but behind the scenes were actually backing the state? I had not though of that. Now I'm wondering about it

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by dack2001 » Thu May 28, 2020 10:00 am

I saw you posted that Bert but you are missing my point. I'm saying that state prosecutors aren't stopping the FEDS. Here the state guys were going to file a case. May have tipped the feds hands into filing their own case but its very significant it was 20 years FED time he served. Now the state's attorney may have drawn publicity to the case and made it politically impossible for the Feds to help him, but that's a damn far cry from being UNABLE to help him. At the end of the day, I'm sure the agents who wanted to help were made to stand down while the justice department prosecuted him. Decisions to prosecute are made at the highest levels especially this one, and the state attorney generals authority is like a fart in the wind when it comes to the feds filing a case. If you don't think Sammy holds animus against the Feds for giving him 20 years when it could have been a glorified state case where he served 5-7 years...than we just have to disagree.

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by mafiastudent » Thu May 28, 2020 9:17 am

There are two snippets from Gravano's 2018 affidavit over in the Frank Locascio thread

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by bert » Thu May 28, 2020 8:57 am

dack2001 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:23 am He did 20 years FED time. Do you think Sammy believes that was help? I guarantee you he doesn't and he wouldn't be giving an affidavit for Frank Locasio or doing a TV show if he still believed he had the feds help. 20 years in the federal system is getting hammered any way you look at it. They hung him out to dry and he knows it.
I think it was explained above, they did help and ran out of the ability to do so when the Arizona case went public and their attempts to help fought by the state prosecutors.

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by dack2001 » Thu May 28, 2020 7:23 am

He did 20 years FED time. Do you think Sammy believes that was help? I guarantee you he doesn't and he wouldn't be giving an affidavit for Frank Locasio or doing a TV show if he still believed he had the feds help. 20 years in the federal system is getting hammered any way you look at it. They hung him out to dry and he knows it.

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by Angelo Santino » Thu May 28, 2020 4:27 am

There's a good documentary that covers Gravano's time in AZ, the local police had reports of Gravano bragging about his FBI connections as well as his belief that Motorola phones cannot be traced. As soon as the state police discovered who he was they purposely avoided alerting the FBI out of fear that they would help him.

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by bronx » Thu May 28, 2020 4:14 am

AGREE BERT

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by NYNighthawk » Wed May 27, 2020 7:37 pm

bert wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 6:08 pm
NYNighthawk wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 5:49 pm There were FBI agents flying in and out of Arizona to get Sammy to autograph everything and anything before he was busted for the pills. Then they dropped him like a hot potato. I would still love to know how Locsacio's attorneys reached him in if he is in an undisclosed location. In any event, this might turn out to be his rising from the ashes like a phoenix. he will write another book - do tv interviews and visit college campuses.
They may have reached him through his daughter she is hooked up with MTV and has an attorney agent I would guess


I think the FBI and feds did try to help him after the drug bust in Arizona, and the Attorney General of that state stood up to the feds, which was a surprise.
+1
That would make sense to reach out to the daughter- never thought of that.
However, that would be very disturbing if the feds did try to step in to block the processing of his drug arrest. That would make for a very interesting congressional hearing on FBI abuses.

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by bert » Wed May 27, 2020 6:08 pm

NYNighthawk wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 5:49 pm There were FBI agents flying in and out of Arizona to get Sammy to autograph everything and anything before he was busted for the pills. Then they dropped him like a hot potato. I would still love to know how Locsacio's attorneys reached him in if he is in an undisclosed location. In any event, this might turn out to be his rising from the ashes like a phoenix. he will write another book - do tv interviews and visit college campuses.
They may have reached him through his daughter she is hooked up with MTV and has an attorney agent I would guess


I think the FBI and feds did try to help him after the drug bust in Arizona, and the Attorney General of that state stood up to the feds, which was a surprise.

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by NYNighthawk » Wed May 27, 2020 5:49 pm

There were FBI agents flying in and out of Arizona to get Sammy to autograph everything and anything before he was busted for the pills. Then they dropped him like a hot potato. I would still love to know how Locsacio's attorneys reached him in if he is in an undisclosed location. In any event, this might turn out to be his rising from the ashes like a phoenix. he will write another book - do tv interviews and visit college campuses.

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by bert » Wed May 27, 2020 11:57 am

dack2001 wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 11:07 am Warn him? I'm sure he feels he served 20 years in prison and no one lifted a finger to help him. I doubt he cares about any fed warning.
They tried to help him in Arizona but were fought by the state which went after him. If he starts going against them in cases, they will put him away again. They can say they found he lied when he made his deal, or get someone to say he left out a murder back then in his plea bargain. He knows what the feds can and will do.

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by dack2001 » Wed May 27, 2020 11:07 am

Warn him? I'm sure he feels he served 20 years in prison and no one lifted a finger to help him. I doubt he cares about any fed warning.

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by bert » Wed May 27, 2020 9:12 am

If he testifies in more cases for the defense the FBI or justice department will warn him (If they already haven't) about pissing them off. If they don't warn him he may do it more, I doubt it though. I don't see him doing it. If he does, they will go after him and pin something to him. I can see him being truthful about Locascio, but he should stop there. He's cunning, but his ego may make him careless. He was careless when he went with Gotti and stayed with him right up till he faced prison. His ego got to him in Arizona, along with the feds ignoring anything he did wrong. He got busted by the state and that ended it there for him. He is reckless, letting his daughter do not one but two mob shows, with the grandkids featured in the second one is really out there.

Re: Use Sammy Gravano in other cases

by mafiastudent » Wed May 27, 2020 8:48 am

Locascio also apparently filed an emergency motion for compassionate release tho I don't see it on Pacer only judge's order for the government to respond by June 4.

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