THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Yonkers103 wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 8:02 am i hear you but being that lovaglio was actually there he has first hand knowledge and described in detail what had went down, zoccolillo is just some jerkoff rat who's testimony is hearsay. he was in california when the alleged incident went down. plus lovaglio reported it to his handler the next day before there was ever an indictment or anything. then he testified that JJ had told him crea tried to retaliate for the invasion , then there was the deluccia conversation as well as let's not forget Larca being caught on tape also talking about what Aiello did and i believe used the words that he was "Machiavelli" trying to prove himself by doing what he did. So i do believe evidence is overwhelming that the club incident did happen . that being said we obviously do not know verbatim what went down. i also remember hearing from a friend of mine about tention at the time between the 2 groups. there are a lot of the old tangle wood crew that still are in yonkers and guys sitting around playing cards and smoking cigars are more of washwomen then their wives and there was definitely chatter back then about something that had happened between the groups.

Yonkers103 wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:55 pm lovaglio testified that he was there and deluccia was on wire saying he was proud of "ernie" meaning aiello while talking to informant zoccolillo while he was wired so incident definitely happened .

Yonkers103 wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 10:37 pm zoccolillo and lovaglio testimony very informative on what had happened with the club invasion and problem between the 2 outfits. very interesting! can't believe this whole situation has not really been elaborated on. wish i can find out more. and also some info on positions aiello may have held or still may hold. i've always only seen acting capo position before these testimonies . good stuff

newera_212 wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 7:05 pm

mafiastudent wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 3:17 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 8:49 pm

mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:58 pm

newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 4:59 pm

mafiastudent wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 2:51 pm Here's a SNEAK PEEK of the FREE audiobook/ebook Guilt for the Guiltless: The Story of Steven L Crea. Take a listen! Coming soon.

https://youtu.be/ehHJYkGceqs

awesome thank you, looking forward to the eBook

BTW. What did you think of Pennisi's testimony? Crazy right?

yeah it is, im only half way through day one and I had some questions...

who is Big Frankie who had a son flip / wear a wire?

and im assuming Joe Caffe is that Capo from Howard Beach who is an Uncle to Pete Tuccio?

i almost shat myself when I read about the Range Rover scheme. thats still going on and its a common thing. not really illegal per say, just violating Range Rover’s contract.

admittedly, two summers ago, I almost got myself involved with that as being a straw buyer, much like the ones Pennisi said he was having trouble finding. Except my end was only going to be $1200. I guess being connected has its perks because Pennisi got $8k out of it. but theres a lot of “firms” operating in NY and NJ doing this, exporting specifically Range Rover HSEs to China at a 150+% mark up. The career of a straw buyer is short, you may be able to do it 2-3 times before Range Rover stops selling to you. Not my finest hour, I could have used the money at the time, but ultimately I talked myself out of it for fear of getting audited (the firms essentially cut you a $100k+ certified check, you buy the car, and sign the title back to the firm). its crazy...but makes perfect sense...that the mob is involved in this little scheme. the guy who was bringing me in was an older jewish guy though

anyway im still making my way through it. its fascinating to see what happened to these guys after casso and amuso’s reign. no wonder why those two ruled with an iron fist...some of these guys seem like complete morons lol. its also fascinating how the crews consolidated and broke down...the BK crew but they’re all in SI...the SI crew being ran by someone from BX...etc

His whole making ceremony is what gets me. The detail. Spinelli's testimony is a lot more interesting. Maybe I'll post his up at some point. He does a lot of talking about his Amuso connection. But he's a grade A liar too.

yeah i hear ya, but playing devils advocate, a lot of guys who flipped have gone into their making ceremony with the same amount, or more, of detail. D’Arco more or less said the same thing, where it was held down to what the house looked like, who he drove with, who was there, what they ate, etc.

again its just baffling this guy got made so quickly, if at all, with no real moves or hustle and within a 3 year span, goes from a regular guy, to being on record, to getting made.

would definitely love the Spinelli testimony and even more so, the Zoccolillo testimony if you have that

mafiastudent wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 3:17 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 8:49 pm

mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:58 pm

newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 4:59 pm

mafiastudent wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 2:51 pm Here's a SNEAK PEEK of the FREE audiobook/ebook Guilt for the Guiltless: The Story of Steven L Crea. Take a listen! Coming soon.

https://youtu.be/ehHJYkGceqs

awesome thank you, looking forward to the eBook

BTW. What did you think of Pennisi's testimony? Crazy right?

yeah it is, im only half way through day one and I had some questions...

who is Big Frankie who had a son flip / wear a wire?

and im assuming Joe Caffe is that Capo from Howard Beach who is an Uncle to Pete Tuccio?

i almost shat myself when I read about the Range Rover scheme. thats still going on and its a common thing. not really illegal per say, just violating Range Rover’s contract.

admittedly, two summers ago, I almost got myself involved with that as being a straw buyer, much like the ones Pennisi said he was having trouble finding. Except my end was only going to be $1200. I guess being connected has its perks because Pennisi got $8k out of it. but theres a lot of “firms” operating in NY and NJ doing this, exporting specifically Range Rover HSEs to China at a 150+% mark up. The career of a straw buyer is short, you may be able to do it 2-3 times before Range Rover stops selling to you. Not my finest hour, I could have used the money at the time, but ultimately I talked myself out of it for fear of getting audited (the firms essentially cut you a $100k+ certified check, you buy the car, and sign the title back to the firm). its crazy...but makes perfect sense...that the mob is involved in this little scheme. the guy who was bringing me in was an older jewish guy though

anyway im still making my way through it. its fascinating to see what happened to these guys after casso and amuso’s reign. no wonder why those two ruled with an iron fist...some of these guys seem like complete morons lol. its also fascinating how the crews consolidated and broke down...the BK crew but they’re all in SI...the SI crew being ran by someone from BX...etc

His whole making ceremony is what gets me. The detail. Spinelli's testimony is a lot more interesting. Maybe I'll post his up at some point. He does a lot of talking about his Amuso connection. But he's a grade A liar too.

newera_212 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 8:49 pm

mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:58 pm

newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 4:59 pm

mafiastudent wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 2:51 pm Here's a SNEAK PEEK of the FREE audiobook/ebook Guilt for the Guiltless: The Story of Steven L Crea. Take a listen! Coming soon.

https://youtu.be/ehHJYkGceqs

awesome thank you, looking forward to the eBook

BTW. What did you think of Pennisi's testimony? Crazy right?

yeah it is, im only half way through day one and I had some questions...

who is Big Frankie who had a son flip / wear a wire?

and im assuming Joe Caffe is that Capo from Howard Beach who is an Uncle to Pete Tuccio?

i almost shat myself when I read about the Range Rover scheme. thats still going on and its a common thing. not really illegal per say, just violating Range Rover’s contract.

admittedly, two summers ago, I almost got myself involved with that as being a straw buyer, much like the ones Pennisi said he was having trouble finding. Except my end was only going to be $1200. I guess being connected has its perks because Pennisi got $8k out of it. but theres a lot of “firms” operating in NY and NJ doing this, exporting specifically Range Rover HSEs to China at a 150+% mark up. The career of a straw buyer is short, you may be able to do it 2-3 times before Range Rover stops selling to you. Not my finest hour, I could have used the money at the time, but ultimately I talked myself out of it for fear of getting audited (the firms essentially cut you a $100k+ certified check, you buy the car, and sign the title back to the firm). its crazy...but makes perfect sense...that the mob is involved in this little scheme. the guy who was bringing me in was an older jewish guy though

anyway im still making my way through it. its fascinating to see what happened to these guys after casso and amuso’s reign. no wonder why those two ruled with an iron fist...some of these guys seem like complete morons lol. its also fascinating how the crews consolidated and broke down...the BK crew but they’re all in SI...the SI crew being ran by someone from BX...etc