THE BLACK HAND FORUM

B. wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:57 pm It stands out that many CIs and CWs had a notable reputation for violence. The mythology tells us that these types are less likely to cooperate, as they've "proven" themselves capable of the highest crime, but my personal belief is that the same sociopathy that lends itself to murdering your own associates is the same mental component that justifies cooperating against them.

Ed wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:01 am FBI documents from the late 1960s show there were at least two other unidentified Outfit member-sources active at the time. If you look at who these sources reported on and the type of criminal activities they seemed to be involved in, you start to pick up hints about their potential identities.

Roemer wrote very positively about Angelini as a person. Based on how he wrote about Pierce and Blasi who turned out to be ci's, I think that's a "tell".

In Roemer's "War of the Godfathers", he refers to a vicious hitman-type Outfit member who cooperated to some extent and then screwed over the FBI. The book is fictional but I believe it contains, at times, elements of truth. That form of writing allowed Roemer to communicate things that he otherwise couldn't responsibly write about as a former FBI agent.

In your own mind, you begin to formulate a profile of the kind of mobster that he (or they) could be. Angelini and Lombardo were two mobsters that came to mind but obviously there could be others that might be better fits.

Ed wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:06 am

Villain wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:34 am Btw Ed, some say that Giancana also gave some info...do you anything about that?

No, I never come across anything suggesting he did. But it's the old story, why wouldn't he give up a little bit of Intel if it got the FBI off his back or kept him out of jail?

If Giancana cooperated later in life (I can't see him talking before 1966), it wasn't ongoing or regular because the wording of FBI reports in the 1970s shows that the bureau was getting basic Intel about him-travel plans, health, business associates, state of mind, etc, from other sources. Again, just my interpretation.

If you had a gun to my head and I had to guess about other Outfit CI's...I'd say someone like Don Angelini or Dom Cortina, and a hitter like Joe Lombardo...don't ask me for any proof or anything concrete because I don't have it. Just a feeling after reading MF reports and Roemer.

Villain wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:07 am Thanks a lot and great job.

I always knew that the goverment reached out to Pranno while in prison, and that he allegedly refused to testify and also said that if he gets implicated in the matter, he’s going to take the 5th amendment, and also allegedly refused to give any info to the feds...but it seems i was wrong lol

Sooo one of the "fathers" of the Grand Av crew was an informant...now thats something

Edit: Btw Ed do you have anything on Nicoletti?

Ed wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:06 am

Villain wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:34 am Btw Ed, some say that Giancana also gave some info...do you anything about that?

No, I never come across anything suggesting he did. But it's the old story, why wouldn't he give up a little bit of Intel if it got the FBI off his back or kept him out of jail?

If Giancana cooperated later in life (I can't see him talking before 1966), it wasn't ongoing or regular because the wording of FBI reports in the 1970s shows that the bureau was getting basic Intel about him-travel plans, health, business associates, state of mind, etc, from other sources. Again, just my interpretation.

If you had a gun to my head and I had to guess about other Outfit CI's...I'd say someone like Don Angelini or Dom Cortina, and a hitter like Joe Lombardo...don't ask me for any proof or anything concrete because I don't have it. Just a feeling after reading MF reports and Roemer.

Ed wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:15 am On a personal note: My wife and I went for an early walk this morning down by the lake. The weather is absolutely gorgeous in Toronto right now. At one point on our walk, I casually told her about CG 6690 and that I had finally figured out his secret identity. (It had been a bit of an obsession of mine for sometime). She looked at me with a gentle smile, nodded her head and said, "That's nice. What should I take out for dinner tonight?"

I think I need to get a life.

Ed wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:15 am On a personal note: My wife and I went for an early walk this morning down by the lake. The weather is absolutely gorgeous in Toronto right now. At one point on our walk, I casually told her about CG 6690 and that I had finally figured out his secret identity. (It had been a bit of an obsession of mine for sometime). She looked at me with a gentle smile, nodded her head and said, "That's nice. What should I take out for dinner tonight?"

I think I need to get a life.

Ed wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:17 am

Villain wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:36 pm

Ed wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:27 pm

Antiliar wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:46 am I think you'll be the one to eventually identify the Jewish-Italian informant who gave a description of "The Life."

I think I nailed him. I'll write it up sometime soon.

Hurry up

I'll do my best, but maybe sometime next month. Summer is always a bad time to get stuff done.

Villain wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:36 pm

Ed wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:27 pm

Antiliar wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:46 am I think you'll be the one to eventually identify the Jewish-Italian informant who gave a description of "The Life."

I think I nailed him. I'll write it up sometime soon.

Hurry up

Antiliar wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:52 am It wasn't proven in court, but based on the evidence it could be either one. Or they teamed up, with the locals doing the actual dirty work, which I think is more likely.

Antiliar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:20 pm

Villain wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:01 pm I think Chuck Nicoletti had to do something with the Maniaci killing but im not sure, maybe Antiliar can shed some light on it....

One theory was that Albert Tocco ordered Maniaci's head and Nicoletti and Nick D'Andrea carried it out. Another is that Frank Peter Balistrieri and Steve Di Salvo of Milwaukee were responsible.