by CabriniGreen » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:47 pm
Lupara wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:25 am
CabriniGreen wrote:Lupara wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:16 am
Moscone65 wrote:Good points, however the rizzutos didn’t seem to be subservient to the bonnanos whatsoever at that point. The guys in New York think they can do whatever they wanted and look what happened
Paolo Renda lupara bianco'd, Agostino Cuntrera shotgunned to death and Nicolo Rizzuto Sr. sniped through his kitchen window.
Due to freak circumstances Rizzuto was able to make a comeback.
I dont think that was Montagnas personal crew that did that work, my opinion.
It wasnt freak circumstances, Montagna made a couple very specific mistakes that pretty much guaranteed he would fail.
The Rizzutos were reeling from arrest, and in disarray, but still financially powerful with many contacts, THATS what Montagna had to kill off.
In Studying the Rizzutos, the main family I look at is the Inzerillos, I see them as linked.....
I don't have an opinion on who actually carried out the heavy work because I don't know, but only Montagna and the Bonannos could've sanctioned these murders.
The freak circumstance was the amateuristic murder of Montagna which made it easy for the cops, and in turn everyone else, to find out who was behind it, effectively ending the coup and creating a power vacuum. This humiliating situation gave Rizzuto a lucky break because people recognised he was the only one capable to restore order among the factions.
I do agree he made mistakes. He was selfish and lacked diplomacy skills. But he was far from a dummy. Initially he didn't even want to take over himself but just install a new regime, and he offered the position to Joe Di Maulo, which was a smart move. If Di Maulo had taken the spot, with the backing of New York and Toronto, it would've been the end of the Rizzuto regime.
I dont wanna argue, but " only the Bonnanos could have...." , this I just cant get with... it's a little tiresome...
The CONSTRUCTION guy, hired a gang leader to hit Vitos son. This is like a concrete club contractor, hiring Bushawn from the bloods to hit say, Crea or Gigantes kid. This would never happen in NY, but in Canada? lol...
You yourself were surprised the Scoppas tried to push for the top. I dont think they got sanction from NY, do you?
Montagnas faction was a French guy, unmade young gangsters like the Violi brothers, and Miriarchi. Plus the old Cotroni- Bonnano regime.
It's not that he was stupid, just arrogant. My understanding is he couldnt speak french, I mean how was he supposed to deal with the Bikers? He would ALWAYS need someone else to pull all the factions together. He was ALWAYS gonna have to share power, the moment he started playing g the big boss he was doomed.
Actually, I think all Vitos problems stemmed from him trying to be the big boss of Canada, moving into Ontario when he already had all of Montreal, he was a little greedy too.....
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[quote="Moscone65"]Good points, however the rizzutos didn’t seem to be subservient to the bonnanos whatsoever at that point. The guys in New York think they can do whatever they wanted and look what happened[/quote]Paolo Renda lupara bianco'd, Agostino Cuntrera shotgunned to death and Nicolo Rizzuto Sr. sniped through his kitchen window.
Due to freak circumstances Rizzuto was able to make a comeback.
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I dont think that was Montagnas personal crew that did that work, my opinion.
It wasnt freak circumstances, Montagna made a couple very specific mistakes that pretty much guaranteed he would fail.
The Rizzutos were reeling from arrest, and in disarray, but still financially powerful with many contacts, THATS what Montagna had to kill off.
In Studying the Rizzutos, the main family I look at is the Inzerillos, I see them as linked.....[/quote]
I don't have an opinion on who actually carried out the heavy work because I don't know, but only Montagna and the Bonannos could've sanctioned these murders.
The freak circumstance was the amateuristic murder of Montagna which made it easy for the cops, and in turn everyone else, to find out who was behind it, effectively ending the coup and creating a power vacuum. This humiliating situation gave Rizzuto a lucky break because people recognised he was the only one capable to restore order among the factions.
I do agree he made mistakes. He was selfish and lacked diplomacy skills. But he was far from a dummy. Initially he didn't even want to take over himself but just install a new regime, and he offered the position to Joe Di Maulo, which was a smart move. If Di Maulo had taken the spot, with the backing of New York and Toronto, it would've been the end of the Rizzuto regime.
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I dont wanna argue, but " only the Bonnanos could have...." , this I just cant get with... it's a little tiresome...
The CONSTRUCTION guy, hired a gang leader to hit Vitos son. This is like a concrete club contractor, hiring Bushawn from the bloods to hit say, Crea or Gigantes kid. This would never happen in NY, but in Canada? lol...
You yourself were surprised the Scoppas tried to push for the top. I dont think they got sanction from NY, do you?
Montagnas faction was a French guy, unmade young gangsters like the Violi brothers, and Miriarchi. Plus the old Cotroni- Bonnano regime.
It's not that he was stupid, just arrogant. My understanding is he couldnt speak french, I mean how was he supposed to deal with the Bikers? He would ALWAYS need someone else to pull all the factions together. He was ALWAYS gonna have to share power, the moment he started playing g the big boss he was doomed.
Actually, I think all Vitos problems stemmed from him trying to be the big boss of Canada, moving into Ontario when he already had all of Montreal, he was a little greedy too.....