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Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by JIGGS » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:01 pm

Antiliar wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:55 pm
JIGGS wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:46 pm
Antiliar wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:28 am
JIGGS wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:56 am
Antiliar wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:20 pm Lee Mags after DiFronzo, then Joe Andriacchi. Capezio definitely came after Accardo and before Cerone.
Where does Pete nose fit into the picture? After joe builder? Did John's brother ever even overseen the elmwood park?

JIGGS
I think the last guy to inform who mentioned him called Pete Di Fronzo the "street boss of the entire Outfit." It sounds like acting boss and his brother was still the official boss. Some think he was just passing around his brother's orders or advice, but street boss sounds like he had some authority of his own. Maybe John had the Ricca/Accardo position of "The Man" and Pete had the Giancana position of "The Boss," as an informant from the 1960s put it.
That's as much as I can tell you. Nothing more has come out.
What I am asking is if brother Peter ever hold position of captain of elmwood park crew? If he did would it a been before magnifichio and joe builder, after them guys, or never?

JIGGS
I'm not aware of Pete ever being captain of the EP crew.
Thanks any way guy. Your one of the good ones.

JIGGS

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by Antiliar » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:55 pm

JIGGS wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:46 pm
Antiliar wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:28 am
JIGGS wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:56 am
Antiliar wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:20 pm Lee Mags after DiFronzo, then Joe Andriacchi. Capezio definitely came after Accardo and before Cerone.
Where does Pete nose fit into the picture? After joe builder? Did John's brother ever even overseen the elmwood park?

JIGGS
I think the last guy to inform who mentioned him called Pete Di Fronzo the "street boss of the entire Outfit." It sounds like acting boss and his brother was still the official boss. Some think he was just passing around his brother's orders or advice, but street boss sounds like he had some authority of his own. Maybe John had the Ricca/Accardo position of "The Man" and Pete had the Giancana position of "The Boss," as an informant from the 1960s put it.
That's as much as I can tell you. Nothing more has come out.
What I am asking is if brother Peter ever hold position of captain of elmwood park crew? If he did would it a been before magnifichio and joe builder, after them guys, or never?

JIGGS
I'm not aware of Pete ever being captain of the EP crew.

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by Antiliar » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:55 pm

Villain wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:50 am
Antiliar wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:22 am
Villain wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:03 am
Antiliar wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:29 pm
We agree that Mangano was probably a made guy and a leader, but all I'm saying is that at this time we can't prove it. It's all educated guessing, and sometimes guesses can be wrong.
Maybe you will also agree with me on this, but I think that at the beginning Capone absorbed and made too many people for such as a short term as boss, and created a big confusion which lasts even today lol. And on top of that he even brought in the non-Italians lol
Since he was boss only from portions of 1967 to part of 1969, who do you think he made during that time period?
I think you misread my post, I wrote Capone, not Cerone
Oops. My bad. Was in a hurry. LOL.

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by Snakes » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:04 pm

I don't think he ever did, certainly not before either of those guys.

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by JIGGS » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:46 pm

Antiliar wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:28 am
JIGGS wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:56 am
Antiliar wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:20 pm Lee Mags after DiFronzo, then Joe Andriacchi. Capezio definitely came after Accardo and before Cerone.
Where does Pete nose fit into the picture? After joe builder? Did John's brother ever even overseen the elmwood park?

JIGGS
I think the last guy to inform who mentioned him called Pete Di Fronzo the "street boss of the entire Outfit." It sounds like acting boss and his brother was still the official boss. Some think he was just passing around his brother's orders or advice, but street boss sounds like he had some authority of his own. Maybe John had the Ricca/Accardo position of "The Man" and Pete had the Giancana position of "The Boss," as an informant from the 1960s put it.
That's as much as I can tell you. Nothing more has come out.
What I am asking is if brother Peter ever hold position of captain of elmwood park crew? If he did would it a been before magnifichio and joe builder, after them guys, or never?

JIGGS

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by Villain » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:50 am

Antiliar wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:22 am
Villain wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:03 am
Antiliar wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:29 pm
We agree that Mangano was probably a made guy and a leader, but all I'm saying is that at this time we can't prove it. It's all educated guessing, and sometimes guesses can be wrong.
Maybe you will also agree with me on this, but I think that at the beginning Capone absorbed and made too many people for such as a short term as boss, and created a big confusion which lasts even today lol. And on top of that he even brought in the non-Italians lol
Since he was boss only from portions of 1967 to part of 1969, who do you think he made during that time period?
I think you misread my post, I wrote Capone, not Cerone

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by Antiliar » Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:28 am

JIGGS wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:56 am
Antiliar wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:20 pm Lee Mags after DiFronzo, then Joe Andriacchi. Capezio definitely came after Accardo and before Cerone.
Where does Pete nose fit into the picture? After joe builder? Did John's brother ever even overseen the elmwood park?

JIGGS
I think the last guy to inform who mentioned him called Pete Di Fronzo the "street boss of the entire Outfit." It sounds like acting boss and his brother was still the official boss. Some think he was just passing around his brother's orders or advice, but street boss sounds like he had some authority of his own. Maybe John had the Ricca/Accardo position of "The Man" and Pete had the Giancana position of "The Boss," as an informant from the 1960s put it.
That's as much as I can tell you. Nothing more has come out.

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by Antiliar » Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:22 am

Villain wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:03 am
Antiliar wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:29 pm
We agree that Mangano was probably a made guy and a leader, but all I'm saying is that at this time we can't prove it. It's all educated guessing, and sometimes guesses can be wrong.
Maybe you will also agree with me on this, but I think that at the beginning Capone absorbed and made too many people for such as a short term as boss, and created a big confusion which lasts even today lol. And on top of that he even brought in the non-Italians lol
Since he was boss only from portions of 1967 to part of 1969, who do you think he made during that time period?

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by JIGGS » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:56 am

Antiliar wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:20 pm Lee Mags after DiFronzo, then Joe Andriacchi. Capezio definitely came after Accardo and before Cerone.
Where does Pete nose fit into the picture? After joe builder? Did John's brother ever even overseen the elmwood park?

JIGGS

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by Villain » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:03 am

Antiliar wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:29 pm
We agree that Mangano was probably a made guy and a leader, but all I'm saying is that at this time we can't prove it. It's all educated guessing, and sometimes guesses can be wrong.
Maybe you will also agree with me on this, but I think that at the beginning Capone absorbed and made too many people for such as a short term as boss, and created a big confusion which lasts even today lol. And on top of that he even brought in the non-Italians lol

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by Antiliar » Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:29 pm

Villain wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:34 pm
Thanks for agreeing with me on Caifano, but ill correct you on one thing, meaning Daddono's crew used to be Mangano's crew.

As for Maritote, I think that besides having interests in northern Cicero, he also controlled the lower West Side and the 27th District with the help of the Colucci clan, which included Joe, Vito, Dominick and George, and you will read regarding the connection after I post the next project. Maritote's prime lieutenant was Geroge Giacola aka Gorgie King.

Regarding Mangano if he was made or not, I dont believe that a simple associate would've been connected to old Mafiosi from the 1920's and first to be labeled as Public Enemy and later as "King of the West Side" (no matter by who) and in the end, to be eliminated by the Outfit during one huge conflict with the North Side Sicilian Mob which occurred at the time. If we think that way, maybe even the Fischettis were not made but still Charlie was one time acting boss lol or even Rio or or D'Andrea lol

When I refer to thew West Side guys, i mean members who came from crews whose headquarters were located around Chicago's West Side area, not the newspaper men and stuff like that...and believe me I completely avoid their terms but instead Im putting out what Im "seeing". In addition, the so-called South Side Mob existed and Capone/D'Andrea/Roti were its predecessors. By the late 60s we have some type of "cold war" between invading members from the West Side area such as Alderisio and Buccieri on one side, and Alex, Pierce and Kruse on the other who in turn defended their own South Side territories.
I look forward to seeing your next project.

Glad you clarified what you meant by "West Side."

We agree that Mangano was probably a made guy and a leader, but all I'm saying is that at this time we can't prove it. It's all educated guessing, and sometimes guesses can be wrong.

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by Antiliar » Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:20 pm

Lee Mags after DiFronzo, then Joe Andriacchi. Capezio definitely came after Accardo and before Cerone.

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by Confederate » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:17 am

Villain wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:14 am In addition, since we're talking here about DiFronzo and the Elmwood Park crew, what's your opinion guys on some of the early capos or crew bosses, or the fellas who operated before DiFronzo?

Here are my thoughts..

Lawrence Mangano (1930 1931)

Tony Capezio or possibly Tony Accardo (1932 1935)

Tony Accardo (1936 1943)

Tony Capezio (1944 1946)

Jack Cerone (1947 1965)

Joe Gagliano (1966 1971)

It is possible that DiFronzo was a crew boss after Gagliano until his elevation to underboss
John DiFronzo (1972 1985)

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by Villain » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:14 am

In addition, since we're talking here about DiFronzo and the Elmwood Park crew, what's your opinion guys on some of the early capos or crew bosses, or the fellas who operated before DiFronzo?

Here are my thoughts..

Lawrence Mangano (1930 1931)

Tony Capezio or possibly Tony Accardo (1932 1935)

Tony Accardo (1936 1943)

Tony Capezio (1944 1946)

Jack Cerone (1947 1965)

Joe Gagliano (1966 1971)

It is possible that DiFronzo was a crew boss after Gagliano until his elevation to underboss

Re: DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit shit)

by Villain » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:06 am

Snakes wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:00 am Messino was somehow allowed to be free on bond until the end of his appeal process in 1970. After his last appeal failed he was finally imprisoned.
That's right and I also think that he fled to Florida and was arrested there and was returned to Chicago. Btw I used to read that while in prison, Messino was beaten by some black inmate

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