DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit sh*t)

[Confederate]

And yeah you're right regarding Alderisio's interests on the North Side, and I think that happened during Giancana's reign as boss, who in turn was quite aggressive in infiltrating other people's areas with the help of his closest underlings.

It seemed like when Giancana was Boss, he used his Taylor St. men anywhere he could in all 4 major Territories as long as they didn't step on the toes (so to speak) of someone else. Then, that particular guy would share 25% with the big Territory Boss of that area and the another 25% with Giancana.
So, for example, Rocky Potenza was way up north not anywhere near the "West Side". IMO, his 50% went half to Ross Prio and half to Giancana. This is why Giancana was closely connected to so many Outfit guys. There is F.B.I. surveillance information of Potenza seeing Giancana directly about a problem he had way up in his Northwest area. There are other examples of Giancana meeting directly with many of the so called "Street" Bosses in addition to meeting with the 4 big "Underbosses". It seemed like anybody who was in charge of something had "direct" access to Giancana. He would get his cut directly from that man. So, a lot of money was "flowing" upward directly to Giancana who would then share with Ricca & Accardo. I could be wrong but that's how it looked because Giancana would meet with a lot of guys during each month.

[Villain]

And yeah you're right regarding Alderisio's interests on the North Side, and I think that happened during Giancana's reign as boss, who in turn was quite aggressive in infiltrating other people's areas with the help of his closest underlings.

It seemed like when Giancana was Boss, he used his Taylor St. men anywhere he could in all 4 major Territories as long as they didn't step on the toes (so to speak) of someone else. Then, that particular guy would share 25% with the big Territory Boss of that area and the another 25% with Giancana.
So, for example, Rocky Potenza was way up north not anywhere near the "West Side". IMO, his 50% went half to Ross Prio and half to Giancana. This is why Giancana was closely connected to so many Outfit guys. There is F.B.I. surveillance information of Potenza seeing Giancana directly about a problem he had way up in his Northwest area. There are other examples of Giancana meeting directly with many of the so called "Street" Bosses in addition to meeting with the 4 big "Underbosses". It seemed like anybody who was in charge of something had "direct" access to Giancana. He would get his cut directly from that man. So, a lot of money was "flowing" upward directly to Giancana who would then share with Ricca & Accardo. I could be wrong but that's how it looked because Giancana would meet with a lot of guys during each month.

I completely agree, since he was involved in every possible transfer or any other similar situation, obviously because he was the boss. But as we already stated, he gave passes mostly to his close underlings from the West Side area. I also love the story that in 1959 Giancana personally told Lenny Patrick from that point on he will answer to Gus Alex and his South Side Mob. And on top of that, later Giancana, Alex and Patrick had meetings with Ross Prio (North Side), Joe DiVarco (Near North Side) and Les Kruse (Lake View) regarding Patrick's transfer of interests from the Lawndale area (West Side) to Rogers Park (North Side) which in fact was Prio's territory.

[Frank]

Maybe it's been mentioned before,is there a year or time period when NoNose DiFronzo was made.

[Snakes]

Maybe it's been mentioned before,is there a year or time period when NoNose DiFronzo was made.

Not much is know about DiFronzo's activities prior to the late 1980s. I would have to say that he was made by at least 1970.

[Villain]

Maybe it's been mentioned before,is there a year or time period when NoNose DiFronzo was made.

Not much is know about DiFronzo's activities prior to the late 1980s. I would have to say that he was made by at least 1970.

I completely agree that he was probably made by 1970 since by the early or mid 60s DiFronzo was one of those high level associates who owned the Twist Club on Grand Ave in Elmwood Park and was considered the main fencer of stolen goods for the Elmwood Park crew, since his place was also considered headquarters for all West Side burglary crews at the time. So I believe he was probably made somewhere between 1967 and 1970, when Cerone was the boss and his sponsor was probably Gagliano since Messino was in jail at the time

[Antiliar]

Besides Mangano and Belcastro, few of Fanelli's close associates from the West Side were Mike Heitler, Louis Clementi, Phil Mangano and others, all being Mangano's men and associates, and he also owned a building the Near West Side and also had few operations which he probably divided together with Belcastro, on top of that, he lived on Taylor t lol. The main reason for Fanelli's and Belcastro's interests in the 20th Ward was because it was the leading ward the time, and thats why they had close relations with the so-called Roti group and also the Genero or Genaro clan from Calumet City. I also believe that by the mid 1940's or after the deaths of both Mangano and Belcastro, Fanelli probably went semi-retired, if not completely, or as you already said, he might've been absorbed by the rising younger generation as one of their old timers who stood in the background

I have Lenny Caifano as crew boss during the late 1940s and Buccieri is right beneath him, followed by Marshall Caifano, the English bros, Joe Mendino, Frank Eulo, Frank and Rudy Fratto, and Blasi. They simply became Volpe's/Campagna's/Giancana's guys who operated around the Near West Side and northern Cicero, and when both Mangano and Belcastro were gone, I believe they simply took over their crews and interests, including the ones in Chinatown. For example the Caifanos received Mangano's previous interests on Rush St, the Buccieris took Belcastro's former interests in Chinatown, while Daddono and the English bros invaded Mangano's previous interests around the northwest area and even further. In addition, i think that Jimmy LaPietra lived in Chinatown and operated there since the late 1940s but I might be wrong although the time period fits perfect

And yeah you're right regarding Alderisio's interests on the North Side, and I think that happened during Giancana's reign as boss, who in turn was quite aggressive in infiltrating other people's areas with the help of his closest underlings. It is also possible that later Grand Av boss Lombardo took over Alderisio's former interests on the North Side. I also believe that after Lombardo's imprisonment, the Elmwood Park group took over those same North Side interests with the help of Lombardo's close friend Andriacchi, but dont take my word for it

Louis Clementi and Phil Mangano seemed to be part of the Daddono crew (I'm calling it that even when others were heading it just so it can have a name). I also lean to Lenny Caifano heading the Daddono crew before Daddono, and that Buccieri took over the crew previously headed by Frank "Diamond" Maritote.

I don't like using "West Side" because the newspapers and police didn't know to distinguish the different crews operating in the West Side. Battaglia, Buccieri and Cerone were all "West Side" according to them. It's too vague.

Getting back to Dago Mangano, to be honest, we don't even KNOW for certain that he was a made guy. We suspect that he was, and I believe that he was, but there's no documentation to prove it. Since reports during that time period are so confusing it is possible that we are totally wrong about him and that he was just a high level associate, bail bondsman and restaurant owner. Or he could have been an early capo. It's like that one document naming Phil D'Andrea as the capo of Chinatown. If not for that one source we would have no idea. According to the papers he was a Capone bodyguard and Chicago syndicate associate. So unless we find some documentation about Mangano's position, we don't know for certain.

[Villain]

Besides Mangano and Belcastro, few of Fanelli's close associates from the West Side were Mike Heitler, Louis Clementi, Phil Mangano and others, all being Mangano's men and associates, and he also owned a building the Near West Side and also had few operations which he probably divided together with Belcastro, on top of that, he lived on Taylor t lol. The main reason for Fanelli's and Belcastro's interests in the 20th Ward was because it was the leading ward the time, and thats why they had close relations with the so-called Roti group and also the Genero or Genaro clan from Calumet City. I also believe that by the mid 1940's or after the deaths of both Mangano and Belcastro, Fanelli probably went semi-retired, if not completely, or as you already said, he might've been absorbed by the rising younger generation as one of their old timers who stood in the background

I have Lenny Caifano as crew boss during the late 1940s and Buccieri is right beneath him, followed by Marshall Caifano, the English bros, Joe Mendino, Frank Eulo, Frank and Rudy Fratto, and Blasi. They simply became Volpe's/Campagna's/Giancana's guys who operated around the Near West Side and northern Cicero, and when both Mangano and Belcastro were gone, I believe they simply took over their crews and interests, including the ones in Chinatown. For example the Caifanos received Mangano's previous interests on Rush St, the Buccieris took Belcastro's former interests in Chinatown, while Daddono and the English bros invaded Mangano's previous interests around the northwest area and even further. In addition, i think that Jimmy LaPietra lived in Chinatown and operated there since the late 1940s but I might be wrong although the time period fits perfect

And yeah you're right regarding Alderisio's interests on the North Side, and I think that happened during Giancana's reign as boss, who in turn was quite aggressive in infiltrating other people's areas with the help of his closest underlings. It is also possible that later Grand Av boss Lombardo took over Alderisio's former interests on the North Side. I also believe that after Lombardo's imprisonment, the Elmwood Park group took over those same North Side interests with the help of Lombardo's close friend Andriacchi, but dont take my word for it

Louis Clementi and Phil Mangano seemed to be part of the Daddono crew (I'm calling it that even when others were heading it just so it can have a name). I also lean to Lenny Caifano heading the Daddono crew before Daddono, and that Buccieri took over the crew previously headed by Frank "Diamond" Maritote.

I don't like using "West Side" because the newspapers and police didn't know to distinguish the different crews operating in the West Side. Battaglia, Buccieri and Cerone were all "West Side" according to them. It's too vague.

Getting back to Dago Mangano, to be honest, we don't even KNOW for certain that he was a made guy. We suspect that he was, and I believe that he was, but there's no documentation to prove it. Since reports during that time period are so confusing it is possible that we are totally wrong about him and that he was just a high level associate, bail bondsman and restaurant owner. Or he could have been an early capo. It's like that one document naming Phil D'Andrea as the capo of Chinatown. If not for that one source we would have no idea. According to the papers he was a Capone bodyguard and Chicago syndicate associate. So unless we find some documentation about Mangano's position, we don't know for certain.

Thanks for agreeing with me on Caifano, but ill correct you on one thing, meaning Daddono's crew used to be Mangano's crew.

As for Maritote, I think that besides having interests in northern Cicero, he also controlled the lower West Side and the 27th District with the help of the Colucci clan, which included Joe, Vito, Dominick and George, and you will read regarding the connection after I post the next project. Maritote's prime lieutenant was Geroge Giacola aka Gorgie King.

Regarding Mangano if he was made or not, I dont believe that a simple associate would've been connected to old Mafiosi from the 1920's and first to be labeled as Public Enemy and later as "King of the West Side" (no matter by who) and in the end, to be eliminated by the Outfit during one huge conflict with the North Side Sicilian Mob which occurred at the time. If we think that way, maybe even the Fischettis were not made but still Charlie was one time acting boss lol or even Rio or or D'Andrea lol

When I refer to thew West Side guys, i mean members who came from crews whose headquarters were located around Chicago's West Side area, not the newspaper men and stuff like that...and believe me I completely avoid their terms but instead Im putting out what Im "seeing". In addition, the so-called South Side Mob existed and Capone/D'Andrea/Roti were its predecessors. By the late 60s we have some type of "cold war" between invading members from the West Side area such as Alderisio and Buccieri on one side, and Alex, Pierce and Kruse on the other who in turn defended their own South Side territories.

[Confederate]

Maybe it's been mentioned before,is there a year or time period when NoNose DiFronzo was made.

Not much is know about DiFronzo's activities prior to the late 1980s. I would have to say that he was made by at least 1970.

I completely agree that he was probably made by 1970 since by the early or mid 60s DiFronzo was one of those high level associates who owned the Twist Club on Grand Ave in Elmwood Park and was considered the main fencer of stolen goods for the Elmwood Park crew, since his place was also considered headquarters for all West Side burglary crews at the time. So I believe he was probably made somewhere between 1967 and 1970, when Cerone was the boss and his sponsor was probably Gagliano since Messino was in jail at the time

Messino didn't go to Jail until 1970. Gagliano most probably was DiFronzo's sponsor. Gagliano died in late 1971 and I believe DiFronzo took his spot. He probably was made in the mid to late 1960's.

[Villain]

Maybe it's been mentioned before,is there a year or time period when NoNose DiFronzo was made.

Not much is know about DiFronzo's activities prior to the late 1980s. I would have to say that he was made by at least 1970.

I completely agree that he was probably made by 1970 since by the early or mid 60s DiFronzo was one of those high level associates who owned the Twist Club on Grand Ave in Elmwood Park and was considered the main fencer of stolen goods for the Elmwood Park crew, since his place was also considered headquarters for all West Side burglary crews at the time. So I believe he was probably made somewhere between 1967 and 1970, when Cerone was the boss and his sponsor was probably Gagliano since Messino was in jail at the time

Messino didn't go to Jail until 1970. Gagliano most probably was DiFronzo's sponsor. Gagliano died in late 1971 and I believe DiFronzo took his spot. He probably was made in the mid to late 1960's.

I always forget some of the details, meaning Messino was convicted in 67 but entered jail in 1970, although during that 3 years period he had constant pressure and problems with the law which probably made him almost inactive.

Also I hardly believe that DiFronzo was made during the mid 60s since at the time Battaglias people were talking over the Outfit who in turn had some type of conflict with the Elmwood Park crew regarding Cerones position, which means that DiFronzo was probably made after Battaglia stepped down as boss

[Snakes]

Messino was somehow allowed to be free on bond until the end of his appeal process in 1970. After his last appeal failed he was finally imprisoned.

[Villain]

Messino was somehow allowed to be free on bond until the end of his appeal process in 1970. After his last appeal failed he was finally imprisoned.

That's right and I also think that he fled to Florida and was arrested there and was returned to Chicago. Btw I used to read that while in prison, Messino was beaten by some black inmate

[Villain]

In addition, since we're talking here about DiFronzo and the Elmwood Park crew, what's your opinion guys on some of the early capos or crew bosses, or the fellas who operated before DiFronzo?

Here are my thoughts..

Lawrence Mangano (1930 1931)

Tony Capezio or possibly Tony Accardo (1932 1935)

Tony Accardo (1936 1943)

Tony Capezio (1944 1946)

Jack Cerone (1947 1965)

Joe Gagliano (1966 1971)

It is possible that DiFronzo was a crew boss after Gagliano until his elevation to underboss

[Confederate]

In addition, since we're talking here about DiFronzo and the Elmwood Park crew, what's your opinion guys on some of the early capos or crew bosses, or the fellas who operated before DiFronzo?

Here are my thoughts..

Lawrence Mangano (1930 1931)

Tony Capezio or possibly Tony Accardo (1932 1935)

Tony Accardo (1936 1943)

Tony Capezio (1944 1946)

Jack Cerone (1947 1965)

Joe Gagliano (1966 1971)

It is possible that DiFronzo was a crew boss after Gagliano until his elevation to underboss

John DiFronzo (1972 1985)

[Antiliar]

Lee Mags after DiFronzo, then Joe Andriacchi. Capezio definitely came after Accardo and before Cerone.

[Antiliar]

Thanks for agreeing with me on Caifano, but ill correct you on one thing, meaning Daddono's crew used to be Mangano's crew.

As for Maritote, I think that besides having interests in northern Cicero, he also controlled the lower West Side and the 27th District with the help of the Colucci clan, which included Joe, Vito, Dominick and George, and you will read regarding the connection after I post the next project. Maritote's prime lieutenant was Geroge Giacola aka Gorgie King.

Regarding Mangano if he was made or not, I dont believe that a simple associate would've been connected to old Mafiosi from the 1920's and first to be labeled as Public Enemy and later as "King of the West Side" (no matter by who) and in the end, to be eliminated by the Outfit during one huge conflict with the North Side Sicilian Mob which occurred at the time. If we think that way, maybe even the Fischettis were not made but still Charlie was one time acting boss lol or even Rio or or D'Andrea lol

When I refer to thew West Side guys, i mean members who came from crews whose headquarters were located around Chicago's West Side area, not the newspaper men and stuff like that...and believe me I completely avoid their terms but instead Im putting out what Im "seeing". In addition, the so-called South Side Mob existed and Capone/D'Andrea/Roti were its predecessors. By the late 60s we have some type of "cold war" between invading members from the West Side area such as Alderisio and Buccieri on one side, and Alex, Pierce and Kruse on the other who in turn defended their own South Side territories.

I look forward to seeing your next project.

Glad you clarified what you meant by "West Side."

We agree that Mangano was probably a made guy and a leader, but all I'm saying is that at this time we can't prove it. It's all educated guessing, and sometimes guesses can be wrong.