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Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by stubbs » Mon May 20, 2019 12:40 pm

CabriniGreen wrote: Mon May 20, 2019 3:36 am Here's another one, this time a Spatola led ring..

( For the record, I counted at least 5 rings, the Riccardo Cefalu ring under Conte, The Cherry Hill group from 18 ave, Francesco Gambinos group with Simone Zito and Tony and Sal Mannino, Dominick Manninos Philly operation, and this Spatola operation.... I didnt evencount Gottis crew, and havent even gotten to Knickerbocker and the Bonnano connected people...)


https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/01/27 ... 601880400/


Notice they describe them as being independent of the Pizza connection, but not unrelated? What does that even mean, lol... I dont think THEY even really knew how it fit together...
I read that as meaning that the Pizza Connection was a separate distribution network in the US led by Sal Catalano, but prosecutors are refusing to say the Spatola case is unrelated because they likely know the suppliers back in Sicily are the same.

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by Dwalin2014 » Mon May 20, 2019 9:35 am

baldo wrote: Mon May 20, 2019 5:53 am Rosario Spatola, who was Gambino's cousin who was the largest taxpayer in Sicily...did he become an informant? I see some italian language articles about him being a pentito but it could be another Spatola.
The informant was another Rosario Spatola, from Campobello di Mazara in the Trapani province.

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by baldo » Mon May 20, 2019 7:26 am

Is this him, bronx? I remember seeing this picture in a book about the pizza connection (I think) years ago:

https://www.palermomania.it/news/notizi ... 34608.html

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by bronx » Mon May 20, 2019 7:10 am

if the same guy ,he was deported from US around 99, also big contruction guy in sicily. very short bald guy..related to gambino's

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by baldo » Mon May 20, 2019 5:53 am

Rosario Spatola, who was Gambino's cousin who was the largest taxpayer in Sicily...did he become an informant? I see some italian language articles about him being a pentito but it could be another Spatola.

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by CabriniGreen » Mon May 20, 2019 3:38 am

These Spatolas, made Gambinos? Anyone know for sure?

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by CabriniGreen » Mon May 20, 2019 3:36 am

Here's another one, this time a Spatola led ring..

( For the record, I counted at least 5 rings, the Riccardo Cefalu ring under Conte, The Cherry Hill group from 18 ave, Francesco Gambinos group with Simone Zito and Tony and Sal Mannino, Dominick Manninos Philly operation, and this Spatola operation.... I didnt evencount Gottis crew, and havent even gotten to Knickerbocker and the Bonnano connected people...)


https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/01/27 ... 601880400/


Notice they describe them as being independent of the Pizza connection, but not unrelated? What does that even mean, lol... I dont think THEY even really knew how it fit together...

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by CabriniGreen » Sun May 19, 2019 9:40 pm

It can be confusing..... this is like a typical article.... this one from the LA Times.... notice how Francesco Gambino is described, it says, something like hes not actually a Gambino member, yet simultaneously leads a " Gambino Sicilian faction"....


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by nowandlater » Sat May 18, 2019 3:56 pm

Frank wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 11:26 am The interesting thing about Carlo Gambino's son Tommy reportedly met more often with the Cherry Hill Gambinos after Big Paulie was killed is were they thinking about a counter strike to Gotti? Or was it they were just meeting to forge an alliance for their own protection. It doesn't look like Gotti ever considered killing the Gambinos, and it looks like Gotti ended up working together with all the Gambino relatives. He promoted John to Capo and Tommy ended up with a good position too. But who knows what they were thinking of after the hit , like this crazy move Gotti did what else is he going to do.
Maybe they were just meeting for coffee. Or maybe after all that Pizza Connection stuff it was time to sit down and get down to the real business and have a few slices. :)

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by Frank » Sat May 18, 2019 11:26 am

The interesting thing about Carlo Gambino's son Tommy reportedly met more often with the Cherry Hill Gambinos after Big Paulie was killed is were they thinking about a counter strike to Gotti? Or was it they were just meeting to forge an alliance for their own protection. It doesn't look like Gotti ever considered killing the Gambinos, and it looks like Gotti ended up working together with all the Gambino relatives. He promoted John to Capo and Tommy ended up with a good position too. But who knows what they were thinking of after the hit , like this crazy move Gotti did what else is he going to do.

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by John W » Thu May 16, 2019 3:27 pm

kpjohnson wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 2:54 pm
baldo wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 12:17 pm maloots, was referring to 2 (sterling). Thanks.
The book you are reading Baldo is the better of the two. In fact there is no comparison. Claire Sterling is good God rest her.

The other one stinks and is a waste of time, in my opinion. After reading around on this board for awhile you will probably know more than the guy who wrote the other Octopus book.

However in the event you are interested in checking it out for yourself it can be downloaded in epub format for free for this site:

The Octopus. The Rise and Rise of the Sicilian Mafia
https://b-ok.cc/book/2540953/57859b

For the snazzy cover and all I found it to be a disappointment.
That book the link is for is the worse organized crime book I haver ever read, it was so bad I threw it straight in the bin and Iv got 100's of books in my collection about organised crime including some bad ones but this one was truly terrible, it had so many lies in it I.E that Lefty was beaten to death because of Donnie Brasco lol, don't bother reading the book.

The Claire Sterling book 'The Octopus' is a classic which was also released years later under the name 'The Mafia'

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by kpjohnson » Thu May 16, 2019 2:54 pm

baldo wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 12:17 pm maloots, was referring to 2 (sterling). Thanks.
The book you are reading Baldo is the better of the two. In fact there is no comparison. Claire Sterling is good God rest her.

The other one stinks and is a waste of time, in my opinion. After reading around on this board for awhile you will probably know more than the guy who wrote the other Octopus book.

However in the event you are interested in checking it out for yourself it can be downloaded in epub format for free for this site:

The Octopus. The Rise and Rise of the Sicilian Mafia
https://b-ok.cc/book/2540953/57859b

For the snazzy cover and all I found it to be a disappointment.

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by baldo » Thu May 16, 2019 12:17 pm

maloots, was referring to 2 (sterling). Thanks.

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by maloots » Thu May 16, 2019 9:07 am

maloots wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 8:51 am
CabriniGreen wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 5:47 am
nowandlater wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 11:03 pm In Sicily what is now known as the First Mafia War began in December 1962 followed by what became known as the Ciaculli massacre in June 1963. At the time and especially after the massacre Buscetta and many others came to the U.S. as well as South America. At the time the migration appeared to be to avoid apprehension by the local authorities. The reason for the migration at that time was different from what motivated a subsequent migration in the early 1980's as a result of the Corleonesi and what is now known as the Second Mafia War.
Yes, this war was actually beneficial to a small click of clans, the Gambino and thier allies like the Inzerillos, Badalamenti, the Grecos, the Caruana- Cuntreras....

The drug trade fell into thier hands...

Interestingly enough, this first mafia war was also caused by rivalries in Sicily because of the drug trade.
It disrupted the Sicilian component at the same time the American component was disrupted, ( Bonnano ousted, Genovese Galante and Ormento jailed, Luciano died, Cavatiao pitting the Palermo bosses against each other..) as well as the Canadian- French connection part being disrupted.

These were some of the reasons it went to primarily Sicilian control. The families with access to America had the most profit potential..
The Sicilian's always had control or a foothold on the heroin trade in this county going back to the 1950's. The Americans referred to it as the "junk business" (at the time heroin was called or referred to as junk). While the Italians (Sicilians) called it babania (pronounced ba-bine-ya).

A lot of the traffic during the 1950's and early 1960's took place on Pleasant Avenue in East Harlem and at the time young Italian guys (or young guys of Italian decent) who became known as the Purple Gang (the the Detroit version) played a role in facilitating the flow of traffic, but on a much smaller scale.

The Sicilian's always had elements of their own insular family (member who were formally inducted in Sicily and or associates who were also Sicilian born) that operated within this country, and that was (is) exclusively involved in babania from the growth and cultivation of it outside of the U.S, the processing of it in labs, the importation or smuggling of it into the county, the distribution and sale of it, and then the collection and transfer of the proceeds out of the county to accounts around the globe.

During the 1960's and 70's the Sicilian's successfully established nothing short of what amounted to a multinational corporation.
My mistake the section of the sentence "who became known as the Purple Gang (the the Detroit version)" should have read "(NOT the Detroit version)." Mi scusi.

Re: Cherry Hill Gambinos Question

by maloots » Thu May 16, 2019 9:02 am

baldo wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 5:09 pm I'm about halfway through reading "The Octopus" (highly recommended if you're interested in the Sicilian drug connection.) One thing I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is how the Cherry Hill group seemed to be such heavy players with so many international connections (John Gambino was personally escorting MIchele Sindona around Sicily when he was "kidnapped") yet they were subservient to Gotti, who for lack of a better word, was nowhere near as sophisticated or connected as these guys. I know there has been some disagreement on here between very well respected posters as to the relationship between the Cherry Hill group and Gotti but what did they get out of being made members here. I know Rosario was made in Sicily and not in the Gambino family IIRC. It just seems that the Cherry Hill group was much more powerful and connected than someone like Gotti (or anyone else in that family). Hoping you guys can shed some light (looking right at you Felice and Bronx LOL). Thanks.
Baldo, there a two Mafia related books that have the word Octopus in their title.

(1) The Octopus: The Rise and Rise of the Sicilian Mafia written by Joe Pieri

(2) Octopus: The Long Reach of the International Sicilian Mafia written by Claire Sterling

Which book are you reading?

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