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by **UTC** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:44 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 9:27 am Trenton was a hotbed for Philly Crews from about the 1920s/30s up to the late 80s.

I believe this is the last semi-LCN related case out of Trenton.

In October 2008, 14 people, including several contractors and Philadelphia LCN associate Anthony "Tony Nose" Iannuzzio, were indicted in Trenton, NJ on charges of fraud involving accepting money for home improvement jobs that were never completed. In December 2003, Iannuzzio had been indicted in Trenton on charges of operating an illegal waste disposal company.

Pogo

Home improvement scam? Sure you're not talking about Lenehan?

by **Wiseguy** » Wed May 08, 2019 11:07 am

moneyman wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 6:44 am John "Blue" Defroscia comes to mind as a major player in Central NJ. Google his name and look at his indictments over the last few years, these Central/Northern NJ gambling crews are huge.

Yeah, if there was/is one racket that extended throughout the state, connecting different families and crews, it's sports betting.

by **Chucky** » Wed May 08, 2019 10:29 am

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:32 am
Philly d wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:04 am
NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:52 am Legal Sportsbooking isn’t hurting them as much as people think. The mob linked gambling crews offer credit and everything is in cash so you can hide your degenerate gambling ways with the wife/gf . To me, it’s annoying to have to download another app on my phone and then deposit thousands of dollars into it. Also miserable to front the cash and wait in line in person down in AC, at the Meadowlands, and at Monmouth Park.
Can't you just bet through the App?
Yes but you have to deposit money first and have to be in New Jersey. You cross the bridge into the City (NYC) or Philly and you can’t bet anymore. LCN connected books are still far superior because you can bet from anywhere internationally, you bet on credit, they have lines for college sporting events in Jersey, and it’s all 100% Cash.

I think what a lot of people don't realize is that legal gambling serves a much different type of clientele than who a bookie serves. With the bookie there is no paying upfront, no paying taxes on your winnings, no waiting in bullshit lines, being able to bet college football & basketball, like you said. Guys who bet big money are not waiting in traffic driving to AC to wait an hour in line or putting their money in some dopey online account. Those apps and casinos are for casual gamblers.

Some college kid forking over $50 (and pay a 25% to the gov't if he wins) to bet Monday Night Football...he'll use one of the gamblings apps. The degenerate betting NHL parlays without a dime to his name...you know where he's going.

by **Pogo The Clown** » Wed May 08, 2019 9:27 am

Trenton was a hotbed for Philly Crews from about the 1920s/30s up to the late 80s.

I believe this is the last semi-LCN related case out of Trenton.

In October 2008, 14 people, including several contractors and Philadelphia LCN associate Anthony "Tony Nose" Iannuzzio, were indicted in Trenton, NJ on charges of fraud involving accepting money for home improvement jobs that were never completed. In December 2003, Iannuzzio had been indicted in Trenton on charges of operating an illegal waste disposal company.

Pogo

by **CTamg65** » Wed May 08, 2019 9:19 am

Very true some crews have much bigger books then others that Perna book was huge and id imagine still is , and then you probably have some smaller books going on in jersey as well ,so like njshore just said theres alot of variables and then theres always gonna be guys in charge of different packages and certain bettors to run a succesful book and shy its usually a decent size operation and as always the guys on top are gonna make the most and work the least...but as ive said on other threads my personal opinion is its much easier to bet through a local guy and alot of the guys who gamble alot and deal in cash amd dont want records of that shit are gonna do the same remember its still considered a vice by most so alot of guys dont want there business known especially to the government and your everyday guys want that CREDIT be able to bet all they want and go get paid on a certain day or settle up on another alot of guys prefer that

by **NJShore4Life** » Wed May 08, 2019 9:02 am

That’s tough to say because like all fields there’s some crumbs who are unsuccessful and there are the guys who make a killing and live in million dollar homes. That’s like asking what does an average business owner make? Too wide and vast man

by **slimshady_007** » Wed May 08, 2019 8:45 am

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:32 am
Philly d wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:04 am
NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:52 am Legal Sportsbooking isn’t hurting them as much as people think. The mob linked gambling crews offer credit and everything is in cash so you can hide your degenerate gambling ways with the wife/gf . To me, it’s annoying to have to download another app on my phone and then deposit thousands of dollars into it. Also miserable to front the cash and wait in line in person down in AC, at the Meadowlands, and at Monmouth Park.
Can't you just bet through the App?
Yes but you have to deposit money first and have to be in New Jersey. You cross the bridge into the City (NYC) or Philly and you can’t bet anymore. LCN connected books are still far superior because you can bet from anywhere internationally, you bet on credit, they have lines for college sporting events in Jersey, and it’s all 100% Cash.

How much money would u say a modern day illegal gambling operation in nj makes a week?

by **NJShore4Life** » Wed May 08, 2019 8:32 am

Philly d wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:04 am
NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:52 am Legal Sportsbooking isn’t hurting them as much as people think. The mob linked gambling crews offer credit and everything is in cash so you can hide your degenerate gambling ways with the wife/gf . To me, it’s annoying to have to download another app on my phone and then deposit thousands of dollars into it. Also miserable to front the cash and wait in line in person down in AC, at the Meadowlands, and at Monmouth Park.
Can't you just bet through the App?

Yes but you have to deposit money first and have to be in New Jersey. You cross the bridge into the City (NYC) or Philly and you can’t bet anymore. LCN connected books are still far superior because you can bet from anywhere internationally, you bet on credit, they have lines for college sporting events in Jersey, and it’s all 100% Cash.

by **Philly d** » Wed May 08, 2019 8:04 am

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:52 am Legal Sportsbooking isn’t hurting them as much as people think. The mob linked gambling crews offer credit and everything is in cash so you can hide your degenerate gambling ways with the wife/gf . To me, it’s annoying to have to download another app on my phone and then deposit thousands of dollars into it. Also miserable to front the cash and wait in line in person down in AC, at the Meadowlands, and at Monmouth Park.

Can't you just bet through the App?

by **NJShore4Life** » Wed May 08, 2019 7:56 am

Another big thing is that you can’t bet on any college sporting events that take place here in Jersey with the legal Sportsbooks. The Mob Gambling crews offer lines on all the college basketball and football events taking place here in Jersey all day.....

by **NJShore4Life** » Wed May 08, 2019 7:54 am

Post made me think of this lol :

https://youtu.be/2r0h2mNz91M

by **NJShore4Life** » Wed May 08, 2019 7:52 am

Legal Sportsbooking isn’t hurting them as much as people think. The mob linked gambling crews offer credit and everything is in cash so you can hide your degenerate gambling ways with the wife/gf

. To me, it’s annoying to have to download another app on my phone and then deposit thousands of dollars into it. Also miserable to front the cash and wait in line in person down in AC, at the Meadowlands, and at Monmouth Park.

by **baldo** » Wed May 08, 2019 7:38 am

In addition to what Tony mentioned, Russo for the Gambinos was in Trenton as well. There was a lot of gambling in Trenton all connected to either Gambino or Philly. Now that Trenton is a war zone, I imagine any operations have moved to the surrounding suburbs (Hamilton, Lawrence, etc). Also, the Decalvancantes had some presence in the area (there is a current soldier living in Hamilton). Can't talk to if there are any active "crews" here but definitely gambling (not sure kicked up to who).

by **Tony Monte** » Wed May 08, 2019 7:19 am

Albert Pontini ran a crew in Trenton area for philly in 80’s

by **slimshady_007** » Wed May 08, 2019 6:57 am

moneyman wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 6:44 am John "Blue" Defroscia comes to mind as a major player in Central NJ. Google his name and look at his indictments over the last few years, these Central/Northern NJ gambling crews are huge.

They might not make as much money since gambling is now legal in nj

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